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What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 02:23 PM
So I was thinking about my character, trying to refine him a bit more, and I had this little idea. What would my character's theme song would be? A song, poem, maybe just a chorus, that describes him well.

I thought this was an interesting topic for a thread.

Anyway: Nidarren Elaran - I came up with Seether feat. Amy Lee - Broken. I think it fits to a certain significant event in his life. >.>

"Broken (feat. Amy Lee)"

I wanted you to know I love the way you laugh
I wanna hold you high and steal your pain away
I keep your photograph and I know it serves me well
I wanna hold you high and steal your pain

'Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away

You've gone away, you don't feel me, anymore

The worst is over now and we can breathe again
I wanna hold you high, you steal my pain away
There's so much left to learn, and no one left to fight
I wanna hold you high and steal your pain

[x2]
'Cause I'm broken when I'm open
And I don't feel like I am strong enough
'Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away

'Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away

You've gone away
You don't feel me here anymore


One of my favorite songs. Can't get enough of it. :)

Also Godsmack's I Stand Alone fits him very very well. :P

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 02:33 PM
Juylina's is "This Fire" by Franz Ferdinand. And another...I forget it already though.

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 03:21 PM
Vidus's theme song is, of course, "Holier Than Thou" by Metallica.

[EDIT] Picky, picky Aranel. Fixed

Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 03:33 PM
*eyes* Metallica can't differentiate between "then" and "than" either? Why am I not surprised... ;p


According to Byron, who knows her better than anyone but me, Eliana's song is Disturbed's "Darkness"...

Don’t turn away / I pray you’ve heard the words I’ve spoken / Dare to believe / For one last time / And then I’ll let the darkness cover me / Deny everything / Slowly walk away / To breathe again on my own / Carry me away / I need your strength to get me through this / Dare to believe / For one last time / And then I’ll let the darkness cover me / Deny everything / Slowly walk away to breathe again on my own


...While I maintain it's Breaking Benjamin's "So Cold".


Crowded streets are cleared away one by one / Hollow heroes separate as they run / You're so cold / Keep your hand in mine / Wise men wonder while strong men die / Show me how it ends; it's all right / Show me how defenseless you really are / Satisfied and empty inside / But that's all right; let's give this another try / If you find your family, don't you cry / In this land of make-believe, dead and dry / You're so cold, but you feel alive / Lay your hands on me one last time

Either way. *nods*


For those who know him, Eliana+Gabriel is completely Tori's "Don't Make Me Come to Vegas" for many many reasons.

And the Jacaranda tree is telling me it's not over yet, just by the way she bends / "If you come breezin' through," you said, "I'll know that it's you by the taste on my lips" / I bet on my desert's kiss I could slip through your net / "Over my dead body"

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 04:47 PM
That’s an easy one... since I have picked songs already and even used some of the lyrics in writing Cora's story.

Cora Delving.
Originally I had Sad But True, by Metallica running around in my head when she was newly formed and running around Vives... and borrowed from that when writing in a sea of black in her solace of the shadows thread.

Then when the #@%* hit the fan in regards to Johe.. (among other things), it was I Don't Believe in Love, by Queensrÿche... which is evident in the post ...never worth the pain that you feel (even used a line from it for the title) ...also in her thread

And now I think a new one is in order... though I have yet to pick one out. but it will likely find its way into another post (in some form or other) when I do.

[Edited to include obligatory lyricsWink]

Sad But True

Hey
I’m your life
I’m the one who takes you there
Hey
I’m your life
I’m the one who cares
They
They betray
I’m your only true friend now
They
They’ll betray
I’m forever there

I’m your dream, make you real
I’m your eyes when you must steal
I’m your pain when you can’t feel
Sad but true

I’m your dream, mind astray
I’m your eyes while you’re away
I’m your pain while you repay
You know it’s sad but true

You
You’re my mask
You’re my cover, my shelter
You
You’re my mask
You’re the one who’s blamed
Do
Do my work
Do my dirty work, scapegoat
Do
Do my deeds
For you’re the one who’s shamed

I’m your dream, make you real
I’m your eyes when you must steal
I’m your pain when you can’t feel
Sad but true

I’m your dream, mind astray
I’m your eyes while you’re away
I’m your pain while you repay
You know it’s sad but true

Hate
I’m your hate
I’m your hate when you want love
Pay
Pay the price
Pay, for nothing’s fair

Hey
I’m your life
I’m the one who took you here
Hey
I’m your life
And I no longer care

I’m your dream, make you real
I’m your eyes when you must steal
I’m your pain when you can’t feel
Sad but true

I’m your truth, telling lies
I’m your reasoned alibis
I’m inside open your eyes
I’m you

Sad but true



I Don't Believe in Love (slightly altered when it comes to Cora's situation.. changing every "She" to "He" (Johe))

I awoke on impact
Under surveillance from the camera eye
Searching high and low
The criminal mind found at the scene of the crime
Handcuffed and blind, I didn’t do it
She said she loved me
I guess I never knew
But do we ever, ever really know?
She said she’d meet me on the other side
But I knew right then, I’d never find her

I don’t believe in love
I never have, I never will
I don’t believe in love
It’s never worth the pain that you feel

No more nightmares, I’ve seen them all
From the day I was born, they’ve haunted my every move
Every open hand’s there to push and shove
No time for love it doesn’t matter
She made a difference
I guess she had a way
Of making every night seem bright as day
Now I walk in shadows, never see the light
She must have lied ’cause she never said goodbye

I don’t believe in love
I never have, I never will
I don’t believe in love
I’ll just pretend she never was real
I don’t believe in lovev I need to forget her face, I see it still
I don’t believe in love
It’s never worth the pain that you feel

No chance for contact
There’s no raison d’etre
My only hope is one day I’ll forget
The pain of knowing what can never be
With or without love it’s all the same to me

I don’t believe in love
I never have, I never will
I don’t believe in love
I’ll just pretend she never was real
I don’t believe in love
I need to forget her face, I see it still
I don’t believe in love
It’s never worth the pain that you feel

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 04:57 PM
Miramil doesn't have one.

Lillian has wayyy too many. Although Walk On by U2 does come to the forefront of the list:

And I know it aches, and your heart it breaks
You can only take so much
Walk on

Leave it behind,
You've got to leave it behind
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 05:03 PM
Miramil doesn't have one.

Her's is "Fish Heads" by Barnes and Barnes *nods sagely*

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 05:25 PM
Hmmm. Hard to say with Markus, but two songs come up on top. VNV Nation - Saviour(Vox)
Give yourself unto your God.
Sacrifice yourself again.
Burn your thoughts erase your will
to Gods of suffering and tears.


and VNV Nation - Legion(Anacharom)

Enveloped in a sentiment,
a sound that rushes over me.
Engage an impulse to pretend
I have a faith as pure.
Not forgetting what it means to dream.
Indulging everything.
Entertaining thoughts that I've the strength
of those I yearn to be.
Cheers and tribute greet the saviours.
Reckless thoughts survive.
Anachronistic and impulsive.


Bereil - it has to be... 1812 Overture, or Ord Fortuna.

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 06:06 PM
I could probably come up with a better one, but Criminal by Fiona Apple comes to mind.

(ETA: for Macha, of course.)

I've been a bad, bad girl
I've been careless with a delicate man
And it's a sad, sad world
When a girl will break a boy just because she can

Don't you tell me to deny it
I've done wrong and I want to suffer for my sins
I've come to you 'cause I need guidance to be true
And I just don't know where I can begin

What I need is a good defense
'Cause I'm feeling like a criminal
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I've sinned against
Because he's all I ever knew of love

Heaven help me for the way I am
Save me from these evil deeds before I get them done
I know tomorrow brings the consequence at hand
But I keep living this day like the next will never come

Oh help me but don't tell me to deny it
I've got to cleanse myself of all these lies 'till I'm good enough for him
I've got a lot to lose and I'm bettin' high so I'm begging you
Before it ends just tell me where to begin

What I need is a good defense
'Cause I'm feeling like a criminal
And I need to be redeemed
To the one I've sinned against
Because he's all I ever knew of love

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Macha Sparrowsong - Song is my life
Coretta Alandar - Cleric of Midoran
Dekla Debena - whatever

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 06:07 PM
Raeburn has two songs, Insanity By Boingo, (Danny Elfman) and "Girl" By the Beatles. I listened to Insanity when I made him, on repeat (which I always hate doing) and I did the Same thing with "Girl" when I wrote his backstory, (I also surrounded myself with Lavender colors)

Daimon is probably something a lot more slinkier, bluesier, and probably a lot more powerful "When the Levee Breaks" has always been my "Suiting up and heading out" song of NWN, (Led Zeppelin) It's my "Going on a mining trip" song.


Addu's Song would be "Unas, Slayer of the Gods" By Nile, No question about it.

Gravis's Song would be "Black Pearl" by Black Label Society

Vulfar is definitely "Of Wolf and Man" By Metallica. A primal urge song about shapeshifting and wolves...

Kan's theme is definitely derived from the entire Evergrey Album "Inner Circle" I listened to it extensively when creating his image, his stats, his backstory.

Veran's Song would be Pride and Glory's "To'en the line"

Lysse's Song is definitely "The Dance of Maya" By the Mahavishnu Orchestra


And Rafe's song is, and has always been, Aerosmith's cover "I'm Ready"

Sywyn doesn't really have a song, and he doesn't have a screenshot either, or a forum backstory, stay tuned for all 3!

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 06:41 PM
Ulalume has a holy trinity of songs...

Her main one is Elton's John's "Believe"...

Churches and dictators, politics and papers,
Everything crumbles sooner or later
But love - I believe in love.

I believe in love, it's all we've got
Love has no boundaries, no borders to cross
Love is simple; hate breeds
Those who think difference is the child of disease
Fathers and sons make war and guns
Families together kill someone
Without love - I believe in love.

Without love, I wouldn't believe in anything that lives and breathes
Without love, I have no anger; I wouldn't believe in the right to stand here
Without love I wouldn't believe; I couldn't believe in you, and I wouldn't believe in me
Without love - I believe in love.

In others, it's "I Don't Know How to Love Him" from Jesus Christ Superstar.

When she's whooping up on stuff, it's the theme from Flash Gordon by Queen.

-VK

"You know, a gong. Large, flat object that you hit when you want things. Sort of like a waiter, but less portable."

-Radra
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 06:46 PM
"Shut up and sleep with me" by Sin With Sebastian


Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on why don't you sleep with me

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on uh huh and sleep with me(repeat 4X.)

I love your body
Not so much I like your mind
Infact you're boring
Pretend not being of my kind
You keep on talking of some girl I don't know
When will you shut up and when will we go

You were young, you're free,
Why don't you sleep with me?(repeat 1X)

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on why don't you sleep with me

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on uh huh and sleep with me(repeat 2X)

Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up...up...up

Don't you listen to those old conventions
No try to suppress your real intentions
You're open minded, at least that's what you keep on sayin'
Don't be afraid of doing what you're best at

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on why don't you sleep with me

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on uh huh and sleep with me(repeat 2X)

Shut up...

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on why don't you sleep with me

Shut up
and sleep with me
Come on uh huh and sleep with me(repeat 6X, fade out.)


*claps hands* ^.^
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 07:31 PM
Well, first...a big confession. Yes, I'm a musician, and I do not listen to music when I play Vives.

BUT, if I were to listen to anything while playing, I think just about anything by Dead Can Dance would be perfect theme music for it.

As for specific character themes, I would have to go with Prokofiev's "Montagues and Capulets" for Willom's theme.

And, though he's mostly retired, I'd have to say that Bennigan's theme would have to be Pink Floyd's "Childhood's End" from Obscured By Clouds.

Oh, yes. The obligatory lyrics:

You shout in your sleep.
Perhaps the price is just too steep.
Is your conscience at rest if once put to the test?
You awake with a start to just the beating of your heart.
Just one man beneath the sky,
Just two ears, just two eyes.

You set sail across the sea of longpast thoughts and memories.
Childhood's end, Your fantasies merge with harsh realities.
And then as the sail is hoist,
You find your eyes are growing moist.
All the fears never voiced say you have to make your final choice.

Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why?
Some are born; Some men die beneath one infinite sky.
There'll be war, there'll be peace.
But everything one day will cease.
All the iron turned to rust;
All the proud men turned to dust.
And so all things, time will mend.
So this song will end.

Willom Wilde--Actor, Playwrite, Head of Wilde's Vials, and fearful of all things cheesy

Califus Sarten--Mercenary for Hire

Bennigan Songsinger--Brooding bard.
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 08:31 PM
Hadn't really thought about this before. Interesting question. Here goes:

Melina's song would be Metallica's "The Struggle Within" -

Reaching out for something you've got to feel
while clutching at what you had thought was real


Iris' song would be Metallica's "Wherever I May Roam" -

And the earth becomes my home
I adapt to the unkown
Under wandering stars I've grown
By myself, but not alone


Finally, Aimee would go by The Beastie Boys' "She's Crafty" -

D. pulled me over and said hide your gold
The girl is crafty like ice is cold
The girl is crafty - she knows all the moves
I started playing records - she knew all the grooves
He thought she was a thief
and D. was right


Or something like that :)

-Melina Danicelven-Songsinger, Fighter-Druid
Life is pain, you just get used to it.

-Aimee Victory, Rogue
Be excellent to each other.

-Iris Tammarack, Ranger
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 08:56 PM
Conn's would have to be either:

Flight of the Valkyries by Wagner or Nice guys finish last by Green Day : )
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 26 Jan 2006 11:51 PM

And, though he's mostly retired, I'd have to say that Bennigan's theme would have to be Pink Floyd's "Childhood's End" from Obscured By Clouds.

Oh, yes. The obligatory lyrics:

You shout in your sleep.
Perhaps the price is just too steep.
Is your conscience at rest if once put to the test?
You awake with a start to just the beating of your heart.
Just one man beneath the sky,
Just two ears, just two eyes.

You set sail across the sea of longpast thoughts and memories.
Childhood's end, Your fantasies merge with harsh realities.
And then as the sail is hoist,
You find your eyes are growing moist.
All the fears never voiced say you have to make your final choice.

Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why?
Some are born; Some men die beneath one infinite sky.
There'll be war, there'll be peace.
But everything one day will cease.
All the iron turned to rust;
All the proud men turned to dust.
And so all things, time will mend.
So this song will end.


Holy Crap Bennigan, That's my Favorite song by Pink Floyd, my favorite band!

Gah!
No one has ever even heard of that song!

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 06:44 AM
Well I don't listen to music either when playing, ok, I do but rarely. However if I were to pick a theme tune for Moon, it would be 'The Streets Of london' by Ralph McTell. Dunno why, guess moon is kind'a lonely away from her clan...but mainly because I like it, and what I like they are stuck with!

Have you seen the old man
In the closed-down market
Kicking up the paper,
with his worn out shoes?
In his eyes you see no pride
And held loosely at his side
Yesterday's paper telling yesterday's news

So how can you tell me you're lonely,
And say for you that the sun don't shine?
Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of London
I'll show you something to make you change your mind

Have you seen the old girl
Who walks the streets of London
Dirt in her hair and her clothes in rags?
She's no time for talking,
She just keeps right on walking
Carrying her home in two carrier bags.

Chorus

In the all night cafe
At a quarter past eleven,
Same old man is sitting there on his own
Looking at the world
Over the rim of his tea-cup,
Each tea last an hour
Then he wanders home alone

Chorus

And have you seen the old man
Outside the seaman's mission
Memory fading with
The medal ribbons that he wears.
In our winter city,
The rain cries a little pity
For one more forgotten hero
And a world that doesn't care

Chorus

Moon
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 07:08 AM

Oh, yes. The obligatory lyrics:


hmmm... suppose some might not know the songs
*goes back and edits the lyrics into previous post*

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 07:40 AM

Holy Crap Bennigan, That's my Favorite song by Pink Floyd, my favorite band!

Gah!
No one has ever even heard of that song!


Heh. A long, long time ago, Johe and I made these soundtrack tapes to our lives (We were, like twenty years old, and we thought we deserved three-tape long soundtracks to our lives!!!--boy, I miss being twenty again!), and Childhood's End was always my favorite song in mine.

Actually, an early idea for the band name was "Mud Men".

What is it, actually, about that little period of Floyd when Barrett had just left and Gilmoure had just come in? Albums like Obscured and Meddle--Ah, Meddle! Another fantastic album--they had this strange quality that I can't put my finger on but I think I like them more than most of their golden age stuff!

Willom Wilde--Actor, Playwrite, Head of Wilde's Vials, and fearful of all things cheesy

Califus Sarten--Mercenary for Hire

Bennigan Songsinger--Brooding bard.
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 07:55 AM
Somebody here posted a link to The World of Adam, an animated short for the Antony and the Johnsons song "The Lake". That's the only tune I put together with anybody, and its Vrodo's song. Actually I downloaded a ton of stuff from that band and all of it is Vrodo, because he's basically still a nine year old boy between his ears and doesn't know how to deal with his emotions (he frequently just runs away and hides).

Antony & the Johnsons just conjures that for me...don't know why.

I don't have music for anyone else, and I don't usually listen to music while I play. I actually just like the sound-stage noises that the game makes.

"What are you talking about?"

"I'm talking about dying."

"What's that supposed to mean?"

"It means lying in the ground with dirt on your face and holding your breath forever."

-Burt Reynolds, "The End"
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 02:11 PM
A couple of songs have always seemed to embody how I felt about my main char.

When Coruva is out wandering

Me and the Eagle - Steve Earle

The eagle looked down on the river below
He wrapped his wings round him and he fell like a stone
And the big salmon fought but the talons held true
Shuddered as the world turned from silver to blue
I stood there in awe though I'd seen it before
I was born in these mountains and I'll die here for sure

I've traveled around I've seen city lights
But nothin' that shined like the big sky at night

Some mornings will find me up above the timberline
Lonesome don't seem like much once you're this high
When it's all said and done I usually find
Me and the eagle are of the same mind

Now when I was young I took me a wife
But she never took to the high country life
So now I'm alone I don't really mind
But her name echoes down from the canyon sometimes

In my dreams there's a horse, he stands eighteen hands high
He's as white as the snow and there's fire in his eyes
And he'll bare only me though others have tried
And together we'll travel up across the divide


A stance on life and his faith

Simple Man - Lynyrd Skynyrd

Mama told me when I was young
Come sit beside me, my only son
And listen closely to what I say.
And if you do this
It will help you some sunny day.
Take your time... don’t live too fast,
Troubles will come and they will pass.
Go find a woman and you’ll find love,
And don’t forget son,
There is someone up above.

And be a simple kind of man.
Be something you love and understand.
Be a simple kind of man.
Won’t you do this for me son,
If you can?

Forget your lust for the rich man’s gold
All that you need is in your soul,
And you can do this if you try.
All that I want for you my son,
Is to be satisfied.


Now for something different: What I think of when I see certain characters in game.

Vidus Kain - Leper Messiah by Metallica (Sorry..couldn't resist)

Blanche - I Still Haven't Found What Im Looking For - U2

Jessup - Sympathy for the Devil - Rolling Stones or Janes Addiction....yes...I think he is the devil ;)
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 02:36 PM
Well, i was having one of my recuring cocteau twins weeks when i created Jonny (obviously)
However he is infact more "pretty vacant" by the sex pistols.
"Sheena is a punk rocker" by the ramones , is Meg Black

Regards the ingame music..... AAAAAAAGH
Ive so often thought that the best mod for the game would be to put some decent atmospheric tunes into it.
Check out Treasure by the cocteau twins . It IS Feiren.
And the Pogues make the greatest tavern music in the world.

*Takes out obscured by clouds from amongst the others(yes ive got em all on 12inch)to remind himself of what all the fuss is about*

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You can either keep it and watch it die.
Or let it go and watch it fly away.
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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 02:45 PM
Deeply Dippy by Right Said Fred.

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 02:57 PM
Hmmm....

It's in the toolset as it goes and it's called Forest, Night 2

*walks off laughing at his own idiocy*

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Re: What's Your Character's Theme Song?
Posted: 27 Jan 2006 03:07 PM
[19:40] <Barnas> I need a theme song for my PCs. *nods sagely*
[20:03] <Sol|AFKish> hmm
[20:03] <Sol|AFKish> I know!!!
[20:03] <Sol|AFKish> I know !!
[20:04] <Sol|AFKish> B ..... your theme song ... for all your pretty women PCs .... "You're so vain"
[20:04] * Sol|AFKish hides
[20:06] <Benny> *laughs*
[20:06] <Barnas> Gah!
[20:06] <Barnas> Facist! :p
[20:06] <Benny> lmao
[20:06] * Sol|AFKish peeks out
[20:06] <Benny> Post it! Post it now!
[20:06] * Sol|AFKish giggles

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