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Forums  > General  > General  > Alignment Dilema     Display using: Flat View Threaded View   Oldest to newest Newest to oldest Previous Thread :: Next Thread   Author  Thread: Alignment Dilema  para Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Total Posts: 116 Send PM   Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 11:29 AM I’m creating a new character and have some ideas on the sort of person they will be, their behaviour and history. However I’m struggling to identify an alignment which sits well. I’ve used the various alignment quizzes about on the Internet but I’m not sure I agree with some of the definitions. Any suggestions and feedback are most welcome. Paraden Sempra’hl – Male Elf History Bullied as a child and not accepted by his piers Different from those around him (good natured Elves) From an early age he was trained to be an agent of his people – to infiltrate foreign lands and further the goals of the Elves in whatever way he deemed necessary Description & Misc. Cool and calculating Intense with a deeply dark sense of humour Belief in a natural order and the savagery of nature Respects life and will not kill needlessly Does not bow to traditional authority, he may use his own means to attain things authority would - e.g. safety of the Elven lands Individualist - will work in a group to further his own ends Behaviour Would torture someone if it was necessary to gather information Would help someone if it suited his goals Would not kill an innocent except in an extreme case where it served some ‘higher’ end Would happily steal to further his own wealth and needs Eerel Swiftfoot Self proclaimed fasterest little person in da land Eerel's Story: http://vives.dyndns.org/vives/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=49386  Phoenix_Flamehart Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Total Posts: 482 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 11:36 AM I understand and pity youI've been trying to get Shaz'jen's real alignment out of him for seven months, but he won't have it. I think I am leaning towards Neutral Evil here. As he does not bow to traditional authority and such, that counts him out of being Lawful Evil. Most of his 'code of behaviour' is quite selfish, and has no real bias towards either law and chaos. Sure, he has a couple of 'redeeming' features, such as not killing an innocent unless it was for the greater purpose, but just as a paladin can be blinded by his arrogance, so can an evil assassin balk at descending to the dark depths. Neutral Evil I think covers most of the character's selfishness while still allowing for him to make lawful or anarchic choices occasionally. So yeah, Neutral evil, leaning more to the True Neutral side rather than the Evil. - Who needs Epic Levels when you have Epic Eyebrows?  para Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Total Posts: 116 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 11:54 AM I see where your coming from Phoenix, with the whole out for himself attitude. There are a few traits which could be seen as NE. My argument would be how can an Evil character have respect for life though? If he had to indulge in something evil such as torture or the killing of an innocent he would take no pleasure in it, just see it as a means to an end. Would that be categorised as evil? I'm not sure whether the traits I've picked are perhaps too paradoxical. Eerel Swiftfoot Self proclaimed fasterest little person in da land Eerel's Story: http://vives.dyndns.org/vives/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=49386  Maudlin Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Total Posts: 6 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 12:25 PM Not at all. Alignment isn't a strait jacket. From what you've posted, I could see this character as either NG or CG, dependent on which way you plan to lean primarily. Good luck. *edit* Sorry, missed the bit about torture - still waking up. CN could work here.  Alosynth Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 1324 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 12:27 PM I think I'd have to agree with Pheonix on that one. Though true neutral with evil tendances (torture and killing) might be more reasonable for you. I think of the alignment choice more of a rough guide than a set rule for the character, so I dont think it would be too paradoxical at all. As well, evil, in the alignment sense, doesn't have to mean a villian. ~Alosynth  Landru Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 740 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 12:56 PM well, to me, this says "Chaotic Neutral". Question Authority!  Alosynth Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 1324 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 12:59 PM I dont know about the chaotic part. It seems to me that this character has his own set of rules and actions that he will follow closely except when needed. To me, that sounds Neutral in the law choas axis ~Alosynth  slink www.drislink.com Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Total Posts: 726 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 01:50 PM Lawful-Chaotic has always been a difficult axis for me, but isn't Neutral a balancing point rather than one of the extremes? Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset. PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence.  Barnas Joined: 17 Aug 2003 Total Posts: 3322 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 01:50 PM If in doubt about a character's alignment, or if they show many different character traits from many alignments, the character is True Neutral. That's what the rulebooks say, anyway :P I'd agree with them in this case, the PC looks T-N IMHO.  Uncleboffo Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Total Posts: 149 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 02:33 PM I am thinking True Neutral certainly not Evil. You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it. ~Robin Williams  G_Kinkaid Joined: 15 Oct 2003 Total Posts: 131 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 02:48 PM I would start out true neut and let how you feel the character should be played carry his alignment accordingly. Think of your alignment as an indicator of past actions that can still change over time. For example you rape and murder lawfulgoodguyX's wife(or kid etc) in front of him and he will (very likely) murder the piss outta you given the opportunity no matter what the law has to say about it ( this is an example from a pnp campaign I was in where something close to that happened, and lawfulgoodguyx became chaotic evil in the process of seeking revenge due to the actions performed along the way). *scratches head* hopefully that all made some sense My lamentable plight... I am calamity. fire... burning....agony... sultry shivers of a dark essence why am i tortured with this nihilistic existence? -Maddox  Pugs Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Total Posts: 276 Send PM   Re: Alignment Dilema Posted: 31 Oct 2003 08:24 PM I see him as Chaotic Neutral. While he does have his own set of rules he has lots of exceptions to them too and it sounds as if they could be overridden at any time that the char stands to gain from overriding them. Cantor Matriel - "How much?" 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