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April Fools: Character vault wipe
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:06 AM |
After a -huge- amount of careful thought and consideration, the Vives team have come to the reluctant decision that it is going to be necessary to wipe the character vault for Vives.
I am sure you all understand this was by no means an easy decision. But we all feel it will be for the long term good of Vives.
This wipe will occur this weekend. The only characters to be exempt will be DM run characters, due to their substantial degree of plot involvement, and the fact that DMs do not have the same time to devote to playing as the player base do.
The database will be purged of almost all records, with 360MB of space reclaimed from the character files, and 207MB of reclaimed space from the database itself. This might help improve the overall performance of Vives.
Please feel free to post any comments or queries here, but understand this difficult decision has had to be made, and while we are happy to discuss the reasons why, the decision is final.
Cheers,
The Vives Team |
'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions. |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:17 AM |
First question:
Will there be a whole In Game RP shpiel involving how and why everyone suddenly... yadas?
Second, will there be reperations? I'm sure everyone has a character or two that they don't want seeing this happening to. |
CHOO CHOO!
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Bereil Yadashem.
Markus Mortriety, Herald of Novus Aristi. |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:20 AM |
no.
complete wipe, everyone starts from scratch again.
new day, new world essentially.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:22 AM |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:24 AM |
I think ill make an orc! An evil orc! An evil orc that heads an evil organization!
No...maybe a bard. |
ONWARD AND UPWARD! |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:25 AM |
Chief, now is your chance to try something original, something different that you have never done before.
I think this is an exciting opportunity for us all to do new things.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:25 AM |
I, for one, am completely disappointed.
This is the most ridiculous thing ever made. Come on, because some idiots exploits bugs and all that everyone has to pay?
If it is really what is going to happen, then goodbye Vives. It's over.
I put lot of time into this, I'm not going to start again just because other powermonger can level faster than I am.
It was fun the time it lasted.
-Kim |
Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam?
Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.
-The Two Towers |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:26 AM |
*sighs* sorry guys, I know this will be a real pain
I was considering playing a bard too, somrthing I've not done before as a player *shrugs*
- Sol |
- Solitaire, Wizard
- Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:27 AM |
It'll be a swamp of the newbie areas
No problems there,
We will tame down some of the existing areas, and add more low level quests.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:28 AM |
((moderated for excessive profanity, again))
((please try and keep posts constructive folks
Sirac)) |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:30 AM |
*squints and looks confused* hang on a sec... wut?
evrybuddy gone? |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:36 AM |
Oh, if anyone wants to save a copy of their character, they can do it by "export character" from the game menu when they are logged in.
We will wait until Sunday before deleting the files to give everyone a chance to copy their characters if they wish.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 01:53 AM |
To clarify a few more things, as per irc discussion.
Yes there will be a level cap of 200 xp per character per hour played to start with. Over time this will increase gradually. And rp xp will be exempt from this cap, -all- other xp will be capped.
All characters will be deleted. Whilst you can re-make with the same name and basic b/grd, no IC accomplishments will carry over. And definitely no equipment will carry over.
Persistent merchants will have their inventories emptied at the same time.
Cheers,
Sirac |
'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions. |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 02:04 AM |
((Due To repeated offenses, Veran has been banned from the Vives Server in hopes of keeping the next character vault clean of his kind of minmaxed Powergaming abuse.
Veran, please try to keep your posts constructive.
- Paul
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The Legacy Saga |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 03:33 AM |
I've been asked to describe Veran's offense.
He created a new login account thinking we would not recognize him. He powerleveled a powerbuild character to lv19 in 23 hours on a munchkin build that does 300 to 400 hp of damage per critical hit.
We think that perhaps Veran might be happier on an action server.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:01 AM |
Maybe you all should reconsider your actions. Im not refering to the players but to the team that runs this server.
Im here since the very begining of this server, when reaching the great plains was a success and to get to ferein for the first time we needed several raises from DMs, and Alot of divine favor, "Praying" to the gods to be raised was a regular thing to see.
Since there HOTU showed up, and with it the level cap raised to 40. I Dont see maby high level chars in vives, and never seen a level reaching his max level. Most people play there chars for ages to have a decent char that wont die every 5 secs in a combat situation. Ence RP is fun, but if you wont to be a so hardcore server, ( that was never the purpose of vives I think from what I saw from its evolution ), then go on keep this kind of atitude.
Dont get me wrong, Just dont think this is the way to go.
Now about other topic PG.. lets see in my opinion theres two types of PGing, the real PGing wich has nothing wrong ( IMO ), and other type of PGing, where you creat a char a level it just to be a bashing machine and kill all around you and be the best. Vives have rules to build a char since day 1. There is not possible to make Cleric/Monks bla bla bla. But saying I cant play 24 hours straight, and limit the XP to 200xp /day O_O Ok this must be a joke. RP XP is not that much to be enough to level a char, and will never be. With 200xp per day I'll have a long run to level 5 GREAT.... I'll enjoy my level 2 much more... Argg ONCE this server was made by players for players.... Have we forgot why we built this server? I guess so... |
Why search around when the answer is within you...?
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:02 AM |
I'm sorry you feel that way, but the wipe will still be going ahead.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:05 AM |
| As to DM chars being kept... Why? Time? Well I dont have many time either..and in terms of persistency it makes no sence really. If it is a wipe make it FULL |
Why search around when the answer is within you...?
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:08 AM |
The reason for that is that the DM's get even less time to be IG as a character than the players do, mostly because we spend time bringing the world alive for the rest of you.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:09 AM |
| Ok but the feeling is the same. DMs will have fun with a level 1 or level 40 after all its all about RPing isnt it? |
Why search around when the answer is within you...?
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:10 AM |
True, but unlike the players, DM's dont get RP xp.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:14 AM |
O_O When playing as a player? Why not? Come on there isnt enough DMs to allow one to play when other is DMing?
IMO there are two ways.
1 DMs DONT PLAY, and this is the way it should be. Ah ok unfair I too want to have fun. Sorry buddy you know the world and all its problems and areas, each monsters and path too well to be fair.
2 DM play and is a player IG like any other. ( I think this is impossible Once DM you will never play the esame way )
Vives chose the second...So DMs when in player skin should have same treatment. |
Why search around when the answer is within you...?
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:17 AM |
Yes it is all about Rp'ing. Which could mean we can do without levels entirely if everyone had a fair sense of imagination and everyone can be allowed to Rp their char to a normal extent in concern what powers he/she holds.
This is however, not the case. And as DM's we sadly have to take up the roles related to powerful chars. Or at least characters who hold powerful authority positions. For instance a head priest of a certain god. Lets say this god is evil, and lets say you wandered into their temple. What would you do if you are level 10 and this priest is level 1 and tells you to scram? Some will leave, others will use the examine option and verify she is no real threat and then attack. So not the Rp dictating the action there.
Furthermore DM's have to play characters who can not really go out and start killing monsters. I for one would be surprised to find a god or three teaming up to kick some trolls butt to get to level 5.
And finally, how long you are somewhere should have nothing to do with it. Sides, fact is no-one ever really said: The testing phase is over. A lot of people made characters during an active beta-phase and back then it was already mentioned we could do a vault wipe since the mod was mostly about fixing bugs. Now most of the exploits have been succesfully eradicated and we can all start fresh.
I for one am looking forward to it all. If anything, this is a good thing which will contribute positively to the community in the long-term.
Sincerely,
Rul |
Why can't I PM myself?
Don't iron out the Irony. |
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:20 AM |
It's not up for debate.
DMs can and do play. They dont get XP RP because
- they know the world inside out
- they usually either do DM'ing or playing. seldom can they do both at the same time. (and really, it is not fair for a dm to give RP xp to themselves.
One reason for allowing the DMs to play is to make sure they understand how things are working from a players perspective. They cannot do that if htey dont play every once in a while.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: ***Character Vault Wipe***
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:31 AM |
I knew I shouldn't have got up late this morning, too much time spent playing here.
Frankly, that's the point really, I can't think of ANYTHING to say that won't result in my post being deleted other than goodbye.
I'm just not willing to put in the amount of effort I have to watch it disappear.
It's been a pleasure playing with you all - until now
*Elvalia waves sadly* |
Elvalia - Chosen of Aros
Elrith Mellin
Perin - 'Cleric (an' drewid) o' Elbreff' Weddin's an' pies a speciarality
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