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Forums  > General  > General  > [No Subject]     Display using: Flat View Threaded View   Oldest to newest Newest to oldest Previous Thread :: Next Thread   Author  Thread: [No Subject]  Sylvan Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 12 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM Well the first 3 are a bit much, i mean with those penalties i'd never use a familiar. Basically the last one is most plausible but familiars arnt really that great. Putting a huge penalty on em just makes em worthless.  Sylvan Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 12 Send PM   Familiar XP penalties Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM Ok, i've played a mage since before this penalty and alot of other things were fixed about familiar. But since this 3% penalty was added it basically makes familiars useless for a number of things. Being as how they how low hitpoints they tend to die easily. I've tried having it only guard me. Fight behind another summon, parting, etc. The only thing that works and doesnt make me slowly (or quickly) lose all the XP i gain is not using it ever. Even unsummoning isnt worth the effort because lets face it, its not worth it to use it and risk losing 3% total xp. I'd rather have a 99% hp loss when it dies then that xp penalty.  Aria Joined: 10 Feb 2003 Total Posts: 1035 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM Other ideas up in the air are [i:e7bc998a1e]- Caster death unless survives a fort save - Permanent CON loss - (when Aging is implemented) Caster Aging - 1% XP Penalty, 50% HP loss[/i:e7bc998a1e] All these are easily implemented and I don't care either way. Just don't want to see the casters sending their summons to gung-ho. Aria So talented, so troubled.  Quietus Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Total Posts: 803 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM My suggestion would be: 1% XP loss 50% Caster HP loss 1-2 RL days before can Familiar can be resummoned  Gwindor Joined: 13 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 37 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM I would tend to gravitate toward the fort save vs. death. Let's face it, a familiar shares a -very- close bond with the caster. It would be much like a father/son bond...and would you send your toddler off to battle to absorb magic missles so you could shoot arrows or cast magic with less risk to yourself? The way familiars are played in NWN thus far has been very different from the PnP uses of the familiar. They are the casters friend, scout, and travelling companion... not meat shield. The problem then is keeping your familiar safe when going into potentially hostile situations. I propose that familiars are able to be called forth unlimited times per day, but HP are persistent. If that's possible. Thus, a caster could "store" his familiar (much like BG2) when the situation becomes potentially hostile. Just my 2c. oh, I like the idea of 1 or 2 RL days before being able to summon again. Gwindor  Arathon vives.dyndns.org Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Total Posts: 1885 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM Playing a Spellchucker for the first time, I have come to realise that failiars are all but useless against anything other than Kobolds, and think the current penalty is a tad harsh. Personally I was perfectly happy with the way the system worked. Maybe just a higher hp penalty to the caster, but i'll go with the flow on this one. Cheers Arathon Vives Screenshots!  Gorak Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 179 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM I don't know where I stand on this one yet. have to do some more testing and get back to you. :P I do what the voices in my head tell me too.  Fenarisk Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 823 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM Personally I would rather see an HP penalty and perhaps a SHORT TERM con loss of maybe 2 points (2 makes a good diff.). In PnP D&D, you lost both hp and exp, but in PnP the familiars have quiet a bit more to them, and die a LOT less easily. SInce this isn't PnP, the standard rules I think sould be bent to something less harsh, like only hp and con (temporarily). It'd be neat too if you could somehow wipe all level 1 spell slots or something of that nature to simulate the magical energies of death backlashing into the mage :-P ~Fenarisk  Aria Joined: 10 Feb 2003 Total Posts: 1035 Send PM   [No Subject] Posted: 30 Jun 2003 12:37 AM Fen's suggestion sounds like a fair compromise... persistent issues are consuming to script in, as are the 'RL days' suggestions. With due respect to everyone's opinions... would the following be a good choice? We can always try it out. [i:f172945e1d]- 1% XP loss - 50% HP loss (of current XP) - Fort. save vs. Death, or temporarily -2 CON[/i:f172945e1d] Aria So talented, so troubled. Previous Thread :: Next Thread  Page 1 of 1   Forums  > General  > General  > [No Subject]