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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 05:31 AM |
Some are fine, some rock, some look bloody awful.
But... that applies to just about everything else in the game including character heads, armours, placeables, you name it.
Upon first sight, I hated them, and some of the cloak models I still do and would never wear them... BUT.
1) There are TWENTY SEVEN cloak models... granted some, many in fact, look the same apart from the design on the back, in my opinion among that twenty seven there is most likely a cloak that will suit most.
2) It is very early days yet, as time passes in amongst everything else that gets done, no doubt cloaks will be altered in the mod so that generally their appearance is a little more acceptable - it's a process that Ara has already started.
3) For the same reason (early days) the number of cloak models and designs is limited, there are a horde of modders out there in the NWN community who no doubt in a few months will have come up with others, or overrides so that you don't even have to see them if you don't want to.
Probably what I'm trying to say here is have a little patience, nothing is cast in stone but making things like this more acceptable is something that doesn't happen overnight and has to take its place in amongst everything else the team here does in its free time to help you guys and girls out... that's PATIENCE folks. Something at times I don't see much of around here.
4) As I said above, there are 27 different models, to see them all you have to do is fire up the toolset, use the item wizard to create a cloak, and check out the different appearances, it isn't something that is difficult or requires a degree in nuclear physics.
So...
For those out there who are unhappy I will make an offer.
If you have a cloak you do not like the look of I am willing to alter the look to one you are happy with, this offer, however, carries with it certain conditions:
a) ONE CLOAK, per character, per player - most have a favourite character, sheer time means I'm not about to do multiple cloaks for every character a player has or more than one cloak per character.
b) Any cloak you get back will have the same stats as the original, there is no point in asking for extras, if you do the reply will be forget it and you can put up with the original.
c) Have PATIENCE, this will be done as and when I get a chance in amongst everything else I do, which may mean a wait.
d) The replacement cloaks will be CUSTOM items, if you store them in a persistent container over a reset you WILL LOSE THEM. This is the one and only warning, if you get a replacement and lose it, it's gone, you won't get another.
I will set up an account on the forum through which you can PM me with:
i) The name of the cloak you want replaced and the model name of the cloak you want
ii) It's stats
iii) Preferred colours (I will get these as close as I can, it will not always be easy and if it doesn't fit exactly what you had in mind - tough)
Please DO NOT PM The Ranger, I will post the forum name here when I've set it up, if you do PM me under that nick I'll just delete it, I get quite enough PMs on that account already thanks. |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 05:51 AM |
B: Hate them.
First: I use robes quite often and they just don't work together with the cloaks. Ok, some might argue if I wear an armor, it should look like an armor, and if I want to fill up my cloak slot, I have to live with that ridiculous thing, but really, this is a game and not about hyper-realism, and I have to look at my char for hours everyday and I'd like them to look good without sacrificing every AC point and special feature just for IC reasons. If I'd just wear plain robes and no cloak, I'd die 20 times a day or spend my whole life in taverns (what I'd do in RL if it wasn't for NWN ), and that's not really what I expect from this game.
Second: They are dyable? um.. show me how. My latest char tried to dye a cloak of blessings. Used option 1 and 2 of all three types of dyes and still had some beige-brown edges. Finally sold it again and bought a ring instead.
If I could at least choose from some different looks like I can do with the CEP/neckslot cloaks, or if they'd be at least easier to dye, I could live with them, but not like this. |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 06:39 AM |
| OK - as per the above offer PM your requests to this user name and I'll get round to it as soon as I can - but please bear in mind the conditions. |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 08:33 AM |
As a side note........
Neverwinter 2 has equipable:
bracers
elbow pads
knee pads
boots
gloves
helmets
capes
thigh guards
Alongside the regular armours (same as NWN1).
Notice they call'em capes? :P |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 09:42 AM |
Second: They are dyable? um.. show me how. My latest char tried to dye a cloak of blessings. Used option 1 and 2 of all three types of dyes and still had some beige-brown edges. Finally sold it again and bought a ring instead.
If I could at least choose from some different looks like I can do with the CEP/neckslot cloaks, or if they'd be at least easier to dye, I could live with them, but not like this.
I think for some strange reason some cloaks "take" dye on their interiors rather than their exteriors. So you can make the inside hip but the outside remains the color of burlap. Wierd.
Are cloaks all that necessary anyways? I know some PCs probably have some killer cloaks out there, but by and large I can't say they help keep anyone alive all that much, expecially if they're adventuring in a party.
and then... yeah, why not all the other inventory items..? and pretty soon all we will be able to wear is armor/clothes because anything else you put on will look hideous/stupid/gawdy/not fitting for the character... OR perhaps a combination of everything would look really cool... and you would know what kind of items different people were wearing just by looking at them.. *shrugs*
I see this point a little better – if every item in a character’s inventory showed somewhere on his or her person, on top of the boots, belts, bracers, Flav-o-Flav style amulets, and so on. That would clearly look absurd and we’d be forced to walk around looking absurd or cut our kits down to something that is technically realistic, prolly around 30-40 pounds, and lose out on years worth of accumulated goods and items.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 10:20 AM |
Different armor parts work well enough in Morrowind and Oblivion, as they are well designed. It could work just as well in NWN (or at least NWN2) if the game designers don't have a horrible since of fashion.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 10:26 AM |
The new cloaks have several parts (just like armour to dye)....... the Interior lining of the cloak is separate to the exterior which most people will notice So maybe keep on trying? :)
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 10:37 AM |
| All the cloaks vary as to their method of dying, much as a lot of the armours, some have separate interiors, some don't, some have metal trim, some cloth, some leather, some have metal decoration on the back etc, as Ara says trial and error is the best way, dyes after all aren't wildly expensive. |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 12:51 PM |
okay, here's an idea...
As I was dying my cloaks and customizing them to how Kal would likely wear them, I came across the "reflective" color which, once you use it, makes the cloak essentially invisible in the inventory slots. Unfortunately the effective color IG was a bright "reflective" white ((not reflective at all)).
So my point?
Why don't we make an "invisible" paint for cloaks? Since you can't make them disappear like before by crafting the armour types, ((by the way I hated that only certain armours had cloaks)) why not let them be "Painted" invisible?
I mean, as it is now, at least you can put a cloak on ANY armour and they have different styles and flow all cool-like. When you sit down they lay on the floor behind you, not just stickicking out stiff and erect, like a cowtail with too much hairspray on it. Why would anybody want to drop that option? Let's just let folks paint them like the emperor's new clothes since we can't appearance-armour-craft them away? Besides: I'm sure players that are complaining are frustrated since they want the benefits of Cloak FX without the particular fashion impositions.
Just my 2-cents.
K.I.
((Edited add:))
Oh, and: Are cloaks all that necessary anyways? I know some PCs probably have some killer cloaks out there, but by and large I can't say they help keep anyone alive all that much, expecially if they're adventuring in a party. --R-6
Actually Kal's Cloak of Protection +4 has been quite useful. Finally he can explore some more dangerous territories even in mid-level, so I'm not SOOO depressed in my mid-level blues. Thanks a TON to the PC who traded it. It was just what Kal needed.
and then... yeah, why not all the other inventory items..? and pretty soon all we will be able to wear is armor/clothes because anything else you put on will look hideous/stupid/gawdy/not fitting for the character... OR perhaps a combination of everything would look really cool... and you would know what kind of items different people were wearing just by looking at them.. *shrugs*
I actualy like that idea even though it may not be practical... just let them be craftable like armour. We need a crafting dial like for the armour and weapons. Make a note to add that into V2 or NWN2! THAT would be cool for the items... now thinking about memory burden due to all the data required to have every PC IG have data files for the appearance of every item they wear... well, that may not be cool. Oh and keep the "invisible" crafted appearance option in case you want to look naked and still have a cloak on. Maybe make a collar an option for a cloak's appearance? Or a bib?
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 01:00 PM |
as far as I know, there is no invisible paint.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 01:59 PM |
| And if there was, how would you know? You can't see it! |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 03:20 PM |
to all who have stated, if you want the bennefits, than you just have to accept the look of it and get on with life.
Yes, thats all fine and good, but then how come we don't have different boots show up when we put on boots?
or how about bracers and/or gloves?
or, hey.. what about those belts we put on?
yeah... nothing happens when we put any of THAT stuff on... so why should we be burdened with the cloaks..
we should see all of those things on our character when they are equipped in our inventory...but we are not all programmers; so we must just accept this gift of love from those who are.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 03:37 PM |
I Agree with Rosen, if its on your character it should be on your character - And I think they look good - better then the original cloaks. You can change their look, into all sorts of pretty colours if you want and it gives the people who want to wear them more options. Already people change what they're wearing when going into town/heading into a dungeon so just add or remove your cloak to, yeah quickslot if you want. And yeah the only problem is it over lapping on the old cloaks, if only those could be removed somehow.
Old cloaks can be removed in the craft armour option. They are on the "neck" part. Just toggle through until they disappear. Then craft. Now if you fail a few times it COULD get expensive depending on how costly your armour is. If you need a tailor, see Gnimini, Marrya Swift, or Kalannar Illistynn... I know there's others, but those are three, I know of... Wizards who tailor would be the best to ask, to avoid costly failures.
K.I.
((oh, and why don't we make different Smith's Hammers for crafting, which have Craft-Armour bonuses, since the Blacksmith's Apron's Craft-Armour bonus is obviously useless. It would be even better if it could be used on the crafting anvils too. OH! and while we're at it, there is a "woodcutter's axe"--spelled exactly the same as the tool-- which is a +2/+3werebane, it would be great if that could be used as a crafting tool too... just a thought. I can think of a few rangers/barbarians who would really appreciate that.))
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 03:44 PM |
| Good ideas! :D |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 03:46 PM |
Good ideas! :D
WOW! A programmer actually likes my ideas!!!
*beams with joy and waits like a child before Christmas, to see the items show up... the axe maybe beneath a decorated tree...*
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 05:44 PM |
If you need a tailor, see Gnimini, Marrya Swift, or Kalannar Illistynn... I know there's others, but those are three, I know of... Wizards who tailor would be the best to ask, to avoid costly failures.
FYI CNR Tailoring skill has nothing to do with Craft Armor - the only thing that does is the Craft Armor skill and the intelligence modifier. Ulalume is a level 12 tailor and still regularly fails craft armor checks.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 06:02 PM |
If you need a tailor, see Gnimini, Marrya Swift, or Kalannar Illistynn... I know there's others, but those are three, I know of... Wizards who tailor would be the best to ask, to avoid costly failures.
FYI CNR Tailoring skill has nothing to do with Craft Armor - the only thing that does is the Craft Armor skill and the intelligence modifier. Ulalume is a level 12 tailor and still regularly fails craft armor checks.
-VK
Yup! I was aware of that. What you have here is that Marrya, (although a great tailor too) I had seen tailor many appearances, so I'm sure she does. Plus I know that Gnim has a high INT, and likes to craft so he'd be a good one to ask. Kal is not too smart, but has a few rare items and INT enhancers to improve his Wpn/Armr Crafting skills, but struggles with items above 50k gold. So there's my tip. Hope it helps!
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 19 Sep 2006 10:55 PM |
Incidentally, I love the cloaks. I mean, yes, they are annoying in that I just got a cool suit of armor that includes a cape, but for the longest time I have been bummed that you couldn't have cloaks with anything.
I think if you're that concerned about your toon appearance, you should be willing to give a little on the stats. If you're that concerned about the stats, then deal with the toon appearance. I just got a set of armaments that has huge RP significance, but going by stats is actually inferior to some gear that I have. So, as has been illustrated in previous posts, I have a choice: RP my character accordingly, or go by the build I've carefully constructed over time and max out the stats. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, but it's a choice that many have to make. I think giving more choices over the long run is better for the game and for the server.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 03:17 AM |
.... , I have a choice: RP my character accordingly, or go by the build I've carefully constructed over time and max out the stats. I'm not saying one is right or wrong, but it's a choice that many have to make. I think giving more choices over the long run is better for the game and for the server.
-VK
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 03:19 AM |
| I like the new cloaks! They look great on me! Of course, everything looks great on me. The clipping, I can live with. I mean, I love the pimp hat,too, and that thing doesn't even move with the head. By the way, what's up with the tiny thin underwear that shows of the um... how to put this delicately... pelt? How PG-13 is that? |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 03:26 AM |
I've discovered a new reason to dislike cloaks.
Coming from Gladen Quarry an ooze striped my armor off me, Because of the cloak being in the way I didn't know I was naked until we were nearly out of the hills.
I just know Fenn is going to come down with pneumonia. |
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 03:41 AM |
By the way, what's up with the tiny thin underwear that shows of the um... how to put this delicately... pelt? How PG-13 is that?
Yes, it would appear that the Lisa clothes haks have content intended for all audiences. *coughs*
It would be very much appreciated if no one would select that pelvis model for any of their clothes.
(and rest assured, if you DO select that and a DM sees you, you will likely be minus that particular article of clothing, and sporting the cute little tan undies again)
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 04:13 AM |
I've discovered a new reason to dislike cloaks.
Coming from Gladen Quarry an ooze striped my armor off me, Because of the cloak being in the way I didn't know I was naked until we were nearly out of the hills.
I just know Fenn is going to come down with pneumonia.
lol... nice
And just to confuse everyone more... or perhaps to lay to rest any thoughts that I'm completly crazy... *winks at Rosen*
I do actually like how the cloaks look on some of my characters. (my elven ranger looks really good with one on)
so I guess when it comes down to it, I'm just a little miffed about being forced into seeing them suddenly, and would like to at least have the option of toggling it off or something.
But yes... many of you are right.. in that the RP is more important than the numbers... and putting on a cloak when you need it, and taking it off when you don't is completely sensible... and, believe it or not, I think that it would have been very cool if from the start, all the equippable items showed up on your person ala Morrowind (whoever pointed that out.. you are right, many of those sets looked very cool, and it was obvious that the developers took the time to make it look good) ...And lots of other level headed and sensible points and ideas.
(though... I have to say.. for an item that is supposed to add to ones Charisma, the Nymph cloaks are pretty damned hideous now)
...I will adapt, whatever the outcome may be.
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 07:14 AM |
Coming from Gladen Quarry an ooze striped my armor off me, Because of the cloak being in the way I didn't know I was naked until we were nearly out of the hills.
I just know Fenn is going to come down with pneumonia.
More barbarian outfits please!
This look is all the rage at M'Gok Tukar. Who needs pants when you've got enough cloth to fit a queen-sized bed wrapped around your shoulders?
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Re: Cloaks! love em or hate em?
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 10:58 AM |
I like the cloaks. But I like any representation that reflects the circumstance of the character even with some clipping and stuff. So the more the better.
I just wish the Candy Slippers would show on the people wearing those. It would really brighten up the environment...and Timik would have been much more fabulous through levels 4-6. |
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