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DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 12:42 PM |
I have been playing for a while now and i have yet to run into a DM even. Is that because
1) i'm in the wrong time zone so i'm missing them all
2) Still alot of stuff being created so they are busy doing that.
Just wondering whats up, it would be nice if we could get some big event scheduled for sometime in the not to distant future. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 12:58 PM |
well, I am not sure what's 'running' now.. cuz i rarely get IG (darn school =/)
but if ya'll have a look at the news, you can see the 'All vives eve event' which will take place this sat..
Dens |
You are more than welcome to ignore my spelling mistakes =p |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 01:22 PM |
| What timezone are you in? |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 02:16 PM |
| Lots of them are impromptu. You can be running around in a group and all of a sudden the world takes on a new DM-ension. *big smile* |
Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 02:22 PM |
well, I am not sure what's 'running' now.. cuz i rarely get IG (darn school =/)
but if ya'll have a look at the news, you can see the 'All vives eve event' which will take place this sat..
Dens
In in the central time zone, and november the 8th was last saturday buddy :) |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 02:25 PM |
| The All-Vives event was rescheduled for this coming Saturday (November 15th) at 11 am EST. So, 10 am your time. *wink* |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 02:48 PM |
| I am in central timezone, and I know of at least 4 regulars who are as well...you just need to meet more players or get involved in a group that likes to adventure(who doesn't like adventure?) Also keep an eye on the website, as people usually post about events...some even seeking help. Don't worry about the DMs...they WILL find you*sinister laugh* |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 03:52 PM |
I am in central timezone, and I know of at least 4 regulars who are as well...you just need to meet more players or get involved in a group that likes to adventure(who doesn't like adventure?) Also keep an eye on the website, as people usually post about events...some even seeking help. Don't worry about the DMs...they WILL find you*sinister laugh*
Well i just was in one (somewhat) and i have one pet peeve about how it went. Seems like there is no place in events for people who are not self richeous goody goodies. I dont want to condem all people who may or may not do evil things on their own time. My char's philosophy is what they do to others and not to me is their own business and will not hold it against them. I wanted to participate but i was basically told by the other players that i could not, i tired to tell the dm i still wanted to participate but was unable to get any responses. If there is an event happening this weekend on saturday morning will i run into the same problem of being told i have no place in an event unless i play a saint like char? |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 04:47 PM |
My apologies, Hades, I did notice what happened, but I had to log out to be able to continue the plot. Bear in mind the Scarpetto's reputation - I can understand some characters - not the players - being miffed at associating with someone who admitted that she had some ties to them.
However, I am quite sure that there will be more 'less than saintly' ways for one to join in Besides, I still need to give you the XP for what did you join in with :) |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 04:58 PM |
Hades:
I'm assuming you play Saria. Your character admitted that she freely associates with a group of CE maniacs. The characters she mentioned it to had seen (In Fri'el's case), or dealt with the aftermath of, said group of CE maniacs killing a child. Now.. Fri'el did some bad things. Check the forums. After that, lots of PCs -quite rightly- didn't talk to her. If you're going to play a character who will do bad things, and admit associaiting with evil types, you have to bear in mind that many characters will -not- associate with that PC. Quite simple.
You don't have to play a saint like character. Fri'el's no saint. Nor was Talice. Nor was Enialis. Nor is Greg. (My 4 PCs who have had serious play time). However if your character both publicly and freely admits asociating with and gaining information from a group such as the Scarlettos, you cannot honestly expect a group of (X)-G (Or even (X)-N PCs to go "Hey, sure, come along with us!". Escpecially if they've had the sort of expiriences with the Scarlettos which Fri'el and a few others have.
All IMHO,
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 04:58 PM |
Hades:
I might make some comments in return about people who first kick high level characters out of the party, and then leave the party themselves when they are overruled, for EP-gain reasons.
And the party your character tried to run with were not compatible with the stated beliefs of your character. It was that simple. |
Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 05:12 PM |
People form parties when there is mutual trust. Once you stated you had relations with a murdering cult our characters (not WE the players, but our characters and that's a big difference) no longer wanted to associate with you. That's a perfectly good in game reason. If your character had never stated her relations with the cult we would not have asked you to leave.
I feel as though this all comes down to xp whining. Kicking Loli out because she was too high level was one example. But then you told me I was too high level and you got out of the party because you only got 1 xp for killing this. Well another reason we gang up is to protect ourself. When my character went dragonhunting with Fri'el I didn't whine when I got 1 xp for slaying an ancient wyrm. I was happy Fri'el was there, for she took the brunt of the attack. Thinking like you did is in my humble opinion total metagaming.
Just my 2 cents... |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 05:25 PM |
I wanted to participate but i was basically told by the other players that i could not ...
This is patently incorrect. You were not told by the other players. Your character was told by the other characters that they did not wish to associate with your character. I, Lisen, did not tell you that you could not participate in the event. Quillian, however, did not wish you in her party since Q has a bit of a problem with people slaughtering children. And even though your character is not necessarily friends with the cult, your character is not an enemy of the cult. Since Q considers the cult her enemy, she decided not to trust your character. Especially after Saria said she trusts no one and maintains ties with people because it 'could be useful'. Quillian concluded that Saria thought of her as just another potential 'useful' person that was not trusted. That is not conducive to friendship for Quillian, who normally adventures with friends only, unless the situation is dire.
Your character could have continued to participate. Just think: What would Saria do? Would she just let the others drive her out because she is neutral and cares not whether Grii gets back to his forest? Or would she be irate and thumb her nose at them and follow, satisfying her curiosity, saying it's a free country?
When you play either an evil or a neutral character, some good characters will be unable to reconcile themselves with your deeds. It is nothing personal on the part of the players. Please separate the players from their characters. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 06:13 PM |
Actually it is correct, a single DM cannot manage two distinc parties in an event. People are free to voice their opinions but in situations such as that they should find ways to do that without alienating anyone from events. Just my thoughts, you are free to disagree. Saria is a stealthy spy like char and thus needs to keep relations open with many different groups. SHe does not ally with the cult but she does not show any distaste for them as there might arise a day where they could becaone usefull for soemthing that would benefit her (like information).
If there had been multiple parties i would have no problem what so ever with it, but i could not continue because it was a one party DM event.
To the DM thankyou, i didnt think for a second you were ignoring me on purpose and thankyou for offering xp for my participation. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 06:18 PM |
| Now responding to Phoenix, its not xp whining. I was boored of only playing against npc's and crafting and i was looking forward to something different and this looked like some fun. The only reason i was unpartied was becasue i was not sure if your xp pool decreased while giving you a very low turnout. I didnt want to incur a handycap over anyone else, thats all. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 06:18 PM |
Actually it is correct, a single DM cannot manage two distinc parties in an event. People are free to voice their opinions but in situations such as that they should find ways to do that without alienating anyone from events. Just my thoughts, you are free to disagree. Saria is a stealthy spy like char and thus needs to keep relations open with many different groups. SHe does not ally with the cult but she does not show any distaste for them as there might arise a day where they could becaone usefull for soemthing that would benefit her (like information).
If there had been multiple parties i would have no problem what so ever with it, but i could not continue because it was a one party DM event.
To the DM thankyou, i didnt think for a second you were ignoring me on purpose and thankyou for offering xp for my participation.
I beg your pardon, young whatever-your-gender-is. You were not kicked out of the party at that point because you were not in it. You were not in it because you -voluntarily- left the party for reasons of EP-gain.
You are compounding your correctable faults with outright lies.
You might also consider the laughable statement that Saria is a stealthy spy, when she announces to one and all that she is true friend to no one and uses everyone.
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Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 12 Nov 2003 06:21 PM |
Actually it is correct, a single DM cannot manage two distinc parties in an event. People are free to voice their opinions but in situations such as that they should find ways to do that without alienating anyone from events. Just my thoughts, you are free to disagree. Saria is a stealthy spy like char and thus needs to keep relations open with many different groups. SHe does not ally with the cult but she does not show any distaste for them as there might arise a day where they could becaone usefull for soemthing that would benefit her (like information).
If there had been multiple parties i would have no problem what so ever with it, but i could not continue because it was a one party DM event.
To the DM thankyou, i didnt think for a second you were ignoring me on purpose and thankyou for offering xp for my participation.
I beg your pardon, young whatever-your-gender-is. You were not kicked out of the party at that point because you were not in it. You were not in it because you -voluntarily- left the party for reasons of EP-gain.
You are compounding whining and metagaming with outright lies.
Slink, your hostile nature is totally uncalled for. I left the party because i was not totaly sure on how the scale down nature worked in such situations. I would rather like to avoid any handycaps. And i was not referring to an actualy party, i was referring to the group participating in the event. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 12:58 AM |
After reading all this, I wanted to make a few general comments
1) XP
Do not worry about who is getting what XP in whatever party. Party because of IC reasons and IC reasons only. Frankly, I wish there was a way to prevent the 'you have gained x XP' messages from showing up in the first place if people are going to sit there and count how much XP they are gaining.
2) DM's and their Events
They cannot, and should not, force their plots to everyone that happens to be on the server at that time. Sometimes a character cannot be accomidated into a DM quest due to size of the group, or the alignment/actions/personality of that character. IMO, the best DM quests are not the ones with the most PC's or the most bad guys to kill, they're are the ones where the DM has a chance to build on the backgrounds and personalities of the PC's. That usually means nice small groups.
This leads me to the often seen snowball effect of DM quests. I've seen many quests that have started out intriguing and with a small handfull of PC's suddenly grow to massive unmanagable sizes. Being one who has been in such quests, both from the start, and as one that has been stuck to the outside of the snowball, I can say they arn't fun and are rather boring towards the end, especially if you dont know exactly whats going on. I can only imagine how frustrating they must be for the DM's.
IMO, people should not jump into currently running quests unless the DM invites them into it.
Thirdy, DM's do not have time for individual player requests while running a quest. I think the one complaint I hear most from DM's is people sending them requests and directions on how they should be running the quest that is the DM's in the first place.
These are just some general statements I wanted to air, and this seemed like the appropriate topic. |
~Alosynth
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 01:04 AM |
I couldn't agree more Alo. Well stated!
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 01:18 AM |
| Alo said it all.... |
Why search around when the answer is within you...?
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 01:20 AM |
| I think that DM's should attempt to accomodate other players wishing to join in in the quest to work in tandem or opposition to the main party. Obviously the DM shouldn't jeopardise the current quest to do so, but they should try to where possible. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 01:40 AM |
| Amen brother! (To Alo) |
Question Authority! |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 08:53 AM |
Since I've gotten some hate-mail for having complained about Hades, let me say this.
I would never have brought up the issue of the kicking, regardless of the fact that Hades had no right whatsoever to unilaterally decide to kick Loli out of a party consisting otherwise of two characters with whom she normally parties, except for the fact that Hades decided to complain about us as role-players. I really don't give a dang if Hades wants to run unpartied in order to try to get more XP. There are drawbacks to doing so, but that is Hades's choice. The character in question, however, has revealed herself as someone neither Loli nor most of her IG friends will adventure with. Keep that in mind.
I agree wholeheartedly that there is room in quests for protagonists. Hey, Hades could have told the DM privately that the character wanted to -secretly- betray the group and I imagine that would have been accomodated. The arrival later of three heavily armored men introduced an interesting complication to the quest. It is intrinsic to the alignments of the characters involved, that some of them wanted to return the captive to the wilderness and some of them wanted to execute him. But don't expect Loli to say, "Oh, you see no difference between me and a bunch of sadistic cultists, we're all just useful source of information for you? Well, no problem, we're all just RL buddies playing NWN." |
Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 10:30 AM |
For the record, Saria (Hades' character) did not jump in mid-quest. She was there from the beginning.
When Saria brought up being on speaking terms with the cult, the other four quest members had horrified reactions. Several informed her of the cult's beastly deeds, thinking that perhaps she did not know that this is what went on. OOC, I thought this was the perfect break for Hades to have Saria widen her eyes and say, "I did not know that!", and then disown any further connections with the cult. Saria did not actually have to break off connections with the cult, but she could have easily convinced us - Quill always wants to believe the best in everyone. I was hoping OOC that our characters could somehow find a happy medium since Hades is new to the server and likely wanted to participate in a DM quest (I know, I know, metagaming. Bad Lisen). However, when Saria said she essentially trusts no one and uses them for her own ends, Quillian being Quillian just could not let that slip.
Ironically, I was going to 'tell' Hades in game that it was nothing personal, just IC, but I assumed (I know, I know, never assume ) that she (he?) realised we were just playing our characters. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have done that. *sigh* |
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Re: DM events
Posted: 13 Nov 2003 10:54 AM |
Nah Lisen, i know all good and well everyone is rping their chars. It did not need be brought up. I think most of the people there jumpted to conclusions and assumed saria was allied with the cult. Thats not true, but if that is what they choose to believe that is their own right. She trusts nobody because she believes that if she ever trusts someone enough to get into a position where she would be in grave danger is someone does not come through for her that that said individual will not come through in the end. There is probably someone that can convince her differently over time (in fact one or 2 people could have started already a little). Her exact words were I am not friends with the cult, i just am not enemies because they might prove usefull in the future. I believe loli replied "what, for dead childred" for which saria replied No, information... INFORMATION. Someone then said you should not trust them for which she replied, "I trust nobody, but i get involved if i have something to gain. If your char does not want to trust someone like that then that is their decision, my whole complaint was about nolonger being able to participate in an event because of that, i do realize that it would be near impossible for a single DM to run two seperate groups of players and i have already said that a the start of this discusion. I would have probably left the even later however as when i cought up to them it had turned into a large mob instead of the 4 people it started with.
I dont think a few of you understand most of what I am saying and i fear i do not know how to better explain it. I'm dropping it after this because it appears to have little or no contribution to the betterment of vives as a whole. If you dont understand by now then you never will.
I will not respond to that metagaming crap anymore, if you want to hijack the thread into something as stupid and unsubstantiated as that then do it elsewhere. |
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