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Forums  > Game-World Feedback  > Game-World Feedback  > Screwed Up Saving Throws!! >:(     Display using: Flat View Threaded View   Oldest to newest Newest to oldest Previous Thread :: Next Thread   Author  Thread: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! >:(  Ichbin Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Total Posts: 18 Send PM   Screwed Up Saving Throws!! >:( Posted: 05 May 2005 12:46 PM Alright, this has happened more than once, but a particular event just made me post something about it. I have a base fort saving throw of 10...all my pluses of what Im wearing give me a total of 15. I waltz into a dungeon and come across a greater-medusa. Now, I know(from experience) that there stone gaze is a fort saving throw...so I take the chance an fight her anyway. I become gazed the first try...oh well..I was stupid...I deserved it..right? So, as Im getting killed I decide to check the turn logs and see what the DC save was...IT WAS A 13!!! I rolled a 1 (which happens alot for saves >:( ) and got a 16...What the hell!? This may be considered flamming, but this has happened more than once, where a critical save is made, but discarded and ya get screwed anyway. I suggest this gets looked into, because...well...thats just not right. Characters of Lore: Melchiah Rhinehart : <DEAD> Ichbin Rhinehart: <Missing> Daniel Winborne: Currently Venturing  Solitaire Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 2220 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! &gt;:( Posted: 05 May 2005 12:50 PM Hi Ichbin, I am afraid that this is a D&D rule not a Vives or NWN rule. Rolling a 1 is always an automatic failure and rolling a 20 is always an automatic sucess. This means that you have to be extra careful to weigh up the odds when fighting creatures like the greater medusa and (for example) creatures that have death magic and when you cannot protect against it. Tough way for you to find this out though. Solitaire - Solitaire, Wizard - Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth  Carlton Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 527 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! &gt;:( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:00 PM ooooh soooooo many deaths to the power of the 1 Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left. Cain Angus  Nessa Joined: 28 Nov 2003 Total Posts: 175 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:01 PM Indeed, it's a D&D rule ... and you are not the only one that has this "tough luck"... My character got killed because she rolled a 1... on a Will save throw... she is a cleric, so imagine the frustration! But I have something to say about this. *Notice* I am not speaking against the Dm or creatures at -all- I know the engine of NWN is the one responsible and not you, it's just a fact or my bad luck ;) But strangely, when people makes saving throw or roll dices out for touching or anything, it's always hard for the players to meet the requirement, but creatures always seem to do it easily. My bad luck or NWN is evil? (*silently vote for NWN*) ;P Kim that would like to get a natural 20 when it counts, not only when she writes *listen* when she emotes lol *giggles*! Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam? Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for. -The Two Towers  Aesir Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 252 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:07 PM ... it's always hard for the players to meet the requirement, but creatures always seem to do it easily... Well, Belle.. to answer your question, you really only have to go as far as reading the signatures of some of the DMs/Builders... I think the Official Unofficial motto here is "constantly seeking new ways to kill characters" or some such. ;) -æsir "The man that finds himself at a crossroads, and unsure of direction, is not lost. For in truth, all roads will carry him to the same destination - his fate. But it is the determined man that takes the next step." -Aren  Bolgryn Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Total Posts: 165 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:19 PM I beg to differ. I've fought plenty of creatures and monsters that have had "Bad Luck" when rolling a save for one of my spells. Of course over the time I've developed an instinctive fear of water elementals... so I suppose it balances out. *grimaces at the thought of water elementals, then his expression twists into a broad grin at the thought of dragons falling to Finger of Death* CHOO CHOO! - - - - - - Bereil Yadashem. Markus Mortriety, Herald of Novus Aristi.  Xerah Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Total Posts: 564 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:30 PM As an FYI, modules now have the option to turn off "Automatic failure on 1". Juylina Komthya | Portrait - Priestess of Naruth  Ichbin Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Total Posts: 18 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:44 PM ooohhh.....oohhhh.......oh.....ok, well thx for tellingthat actually makes now. I am no longer miffed, lol. Characters of Lore: Melchiah Rhinehart : <DEAD> Ichbin Rhinehart: <Missing> Daniel Winborne: Currently Venturing  Xerah Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Total Posts: 564 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 01:47 PM ooohhh.....oohhhh.......oh.....ok, well thx for tellingthat actually makes now. I am no longer miffed, lol. Well, that would have to be changed in an .ini file of the person who runs the server, not something that you could change and have it affect playing on Vives. Juylina Komthya | Portrait - Priestess of Naruth  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 05 May 2005 10:05 PM Yes, there is an option to disallow 1 = automatic failure. Heck, I would even love to turn it on, considering the number of times my character has died because of a stupid "1", but, we won't. High/higher level characters have almost nothing to fear. They would have nothing to fear if they always made their saving throws. No matter the level of your character, you should be hesitant, at least a little, when fighting because you never know how it is going to turn out - especially if a "1" could change things drastically. - Paul Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  Xerah Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Total Posts: 564 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 03:36 AM I know that Paul know that I didn't mean this but to make it clear: I was just saying this for FYI only, not for something that Vives might add. When a level 1 holds a knife to your neck there is always a chance that the knife will cut. Juylina Komthya | Portrait - Priestess of Naruth  Veran Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 718 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 05:20 AM Unless you have slashing resistance higher than that level 1 can ever do damage... then you don't have to worry about it ever cutting no matter what the dice. *grins* The Legacy Saga  Carlton Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 527 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 06:19 AM Sighs theres always one *smiles at Veran* I too have a fear of water elementals bloody things can kill everyone regardless of class or level evil bloody things grrrrr *waves fist at water elementals* even been killed by ones ive summoned now thats bloody annoying Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left. Cain Angus  Akril Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 1363 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 01:56 PM Just as a point, and this is kind of a semi question, but natural 20's do not equal automatic successes? Is that right. Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Akril Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring  Solitaire Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 2220 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 02:02 PM A natural 20 does equal automatic success A natural 20 (for those who don't know) is where you roll a 20 and add your plusses on top. So you would succeed with a natural 20 even if you wouldn't succeed with the total of the dice roll plus your ability score. If that make sense. Sol - Solitaire, Wizard - Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth  Carlton Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 527 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 02:21 PM If anyone actualy gets one when it really counts like when somone casts a death magic spell or somthing can they take a picture of it as I think they are a myth... Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left. Cain Angus  Akril Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 1363 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 02:24 PM Is this only for saving throws, because I have tried Picking Locks etc and it doesnt give an auto success then. Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Akril Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring  Solitaire Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 2220 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 02:41 PM It only applies for saving throws and "to hit" rolls - Solitaire, Wizard - Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth  BKatt Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Total Posts: 640 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 07:09 PM Is this only for saving throws, because I have tried Picking Locks etc and it doesnt give an auto success then. Hehe... yeah, somthing tells me that if it WERE for picking locks, the take 20 rule would never have come into existance ;P "I'm not closed-minded, you're just WRONG." - Bucky Katt My characters n portraits  Tasra www.bgmod.com Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Total Posts: 1364 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 06 May 2005 10:41 PM On locks/traps what they do is give you an auto-20 if you're just standing around and not under attack. They assume if you don't get the 20 on the first shot, you'd just try and try again. We take the 1 and 20 rules a little further in PnP, with a 20 always being a critical hit regardless of THAC0 and a 1 always being a critical miss (We even have a fumble chart for it! What a great idea for Vives! >:D)  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 07 May 2005 12:16 AM The NWN system is standard 3e rules. a natural 20 is a hit, even if you normally could not hit the creature. A second natural 20 would result in a critical, even if you were unable to hit the creature normally. That's a 1 in 400 chance of happening. What this means in practice, is that it happens quite frequently with the nwn random number generator. Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  Carlton Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 527 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 07 May 2005 02:39 AM Quote 'One in a million chances happen 9 times out of 10' Sgt Colon Antmorpork City Watch (Night Shift) Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left. Cain Angus  Akril Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 1363 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 07 May 2005 04:45 AM THAC0 Thats a term I havent heard in a long time. Isnt it 2nd ed? Takes me back a bit (and probably further than I would care to admit I could be taken back). Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Akril Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring  Tasra www.bgmod.com Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Total Posts: 1364 Send PM   Re: Screwed Up Saving Throws!! :( Posted: 07 May 2005 08:19 AM We like and play 2nd ed :) Previous Thread :: Next Thread  Page 1 of 1   Forums  > Game-World Feedback  > Game-World Feedback  > Screwed Up Saving Throws!! >:(