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question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 08:21 PM |
Question about red knights:
Since when can a character be hit with magic missile or any magic damaging spell and it not hurt them unless they beat it with spell resistance or spell immunity?
Dont you think the red knights are a little stupidly over powered 3 missile storms at one and he hasnt taken even one hp of damage?
how is it there are no perma this and no perma that unless your an npc?
annoyed due to death of me and many players
Carlton |
Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 08:33 PM |
Midoran´s will be done!
heh ;) |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 08:35 PM |
| I thought they were supposed to be overpowered... I mean, just look at them. They practically scream "Don't mess with me or you DIE" - right, Arcane? |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 10:10 PM |
| All I can think of is the qoute "DON'T UPSET MIDORAN... or be cut in half" |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 10:23 PM |
| Since it is a NPC, it could very well have items to resist magical damage. |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 11:29 PM |
Mdioran looks after his own.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 13 Apr 2005 11:53 PM |
Mdioran looks after his own.
- Paul
Team LE strikes again!
*Looks at DarkBrightness and Paul warily*
Erm... Team LG I mean... yeah... |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 12:53 AM |
*ahem*
That's Team LG as Midoran is the True Light and His Will is the Way.
Besides, what other God looks after his/her followers as well as Midoran does his?
What other God does not tolerate violence, lawbreaking, criminals and other various..unpleasantries?
Only Midoran protects his people.
The other so-called Gods are but mere posers. Untamed children with great powers and no sense of reponsibility.
This all will be proven for the world to see and a new day will dawn. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 01:58 AM |
| Right on, Go Midoran!!! *whistles* ... I just wanna see the look on their faces when they get totally stomped (or at least gouged deeply) by everyone else. See how well Midoran takes care of his own then. *nods* |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 02:01 AM |
Right on, Go Midoran!!! *whistles* ... I just wanna see the look on their faces when they get totally stomped (or at least gouged deeply) by everyone else. See how well Midoran takes care of his own then. *nods*
We shall see indeed, Calmeir. We shall see indeed.... |
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.
-Henry David Thoreau
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 02:53 AM |
| *bites tongue severely* |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 02:10 PM |
Right on, Go Midoran!!! *whistles* ... I just wanna see the look on their faces when they get totally stomped (or at least gouged deeply) by everyone else. See how well Midoran takes care of his own then. *nods*
We shall see indeed, Calmeir. We shall see indeed....
hehe, well, see in my mind I am thinking that if Midoran somehow won, then we would haave a world dominated by racists and essentially it would then become a primarily human world. Human worlds are a lot like our own world. That cuts down fun, fun = play, play = server. *grins* So you see... I can't see how they could win. Maybe a few victories here and there, but no complete and total domination. Just my theory on the whole situation though. hehe  But yes, I suppose we shall see. |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 07:47 PM |
Im just wondering when the other Gods are going to start giving us immunity to magic and impervous armour.
I mean after all, if Midoran is behaving so interventianist to the unjust detriment of all other races, surely Aros and Elbereth will intervene to protect their own, particularly as Aros is far more interventionist than Midoran is. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 08:05 PM |
Im just wondering when the other Gods are going to start giving us immunity to magic and impervous armour.
I mean after all, if Midoran is behaving so interventianist to the unjust detriment of all other races, surely Aros and Elbereth will intervene to protect their own, particularly as Aros is far more interventionist than Midoran is.
*AHEM*
Midoran has not acted at all against any other race. Every action by the Holy Church has been necessary to protect the citizens of Midoran from agression, both internal and external. Tell me the last time a human walked into Ferein and killed a guard? You cannot answer that because it has not happened. However, elven regularly feel justified coming to Midor to kill Midoran's.
Gangsters like the Black Hand try to terroize our citizens. Evil and false gods such as Menarok try to bring rise to dark cults in our very midst. Elves and halflings and half orcs and other non-enlightened races try to spread false ideas into the impressionable minds of our youth. Blame not Midor for takeing a stand against the encroaching darkness. Do not condemn Midor, for it is fully justified in all of it's actions.
Blessed by White Bishop Vidus Khain, for under his leadership Midor has reclaimed it's position as a beckon of light in a world of darkness. Blessed by the Righteous Swords, who's strength and fealty have given the New Order of Midoran true might. They have driven out the evil, and now Midor is bathed in light.
Midoran's will be done. |
Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.
-Henry David Thoreau
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 08:09 PM |
Praise the White Bishop! Praise his eminence the Lord Vidus Khain! Midoran's will be done! Anihilate the evil-doers!
...Where do I sign up? *wicked grin* |
CHOO CHOO!
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Bereil Yadashem.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 08:50 PM |
Praise the White Bishop! Praise his eminence the Lord Vidus Khain! Midoran's will be done! Anihilate the evil-doers!
...Where do I sign up? *wicked grin*
*Rolls her eyes*
[Dasefilo] Bereil Yadashem: [Talk] Well, I was saying t'Shihaya'zad the other day. I would just love t'attain one of their red robes, and staves.
He's obsessed with his wardrobe collection, that man.
*As Devora Malevoli* Sign up? Why, you must first prove that you are truly Righteous and dedicated to Midoran. Are you willing to sacrifice everything and give yourself completely to the Just Hand? Oh, yes *smiles maliciously* that includes handing your entire wardrobe collection over so that you may have the honour of wearing the red robes of a Righteous Mystic. After all, why would you need the others? They are not the uniforms of the righteous. They are enchanted with magic, the magic of devils, and should be destroyed immediately.
Midoran's will be done. |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 14 Apr 2005 11:12 PM |
Tell me the last time a human walked into Ferein and killed a guard? You cannot answer that because it has not happened. However, elven regularly feel justified coming to Midor to kill Midoran's.
That really says it all, doesn't it? |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 12:33 AM |
Tell me the last time a human walked into Ferein and killed a guard? You cannot answer that because it has not happened. However, elven regularly feel justified coming to Midor to kill Midoran's.
That really says it all, doesn't it?
Heh... I suppose that -might- have something to do with the fact that the elves don't needlessly kill innocent humans touring their realm under the false pretense of heresy. Just maybe though... Besides, elven blood is worth a lot more than humans. So one elf "heretic" is worth the blood of a hundred humans. Midor should be thankful the elves do not collect all that is owed them. *nods* |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 02:14 AM |
Im just wondering when the other Gods are going to start giving us immunity to magic and impervous armour.
Been staying out of this, but come on, really. They are not impervious. They are quite killable. But they are fairly tough. I just tested them in a few fights, and checked out their stats. Quite killable, and damaged by both magic and weapons. Some nice resistances, but hardly impervious.
And yes, I wouldnt hesitate to make a druid in the ferein grove just as tough, even tougher if they were attacked there. Or a Ferein archer defending their city.
It really does seem people are falling into the "Im lvl x, what do you mean I cant easily kill these people" mindset again. Easy to happen. But never a mindset that is going to work in Vives. A player should never, ever think that. Because if that mindset exists, the world ceases to hold any fear, or believability.
Wow, Midor, a military theocracy, has developed some elite warriors, blessed by their god, that can give people a right kicking in the right circumstances. As opposed to Aros or Tarik shooting people personally, Midoran has blessed them so they can carry out his will.
Personally if it was me and I was given a beating by them as any of my PCs, my first reaction would not be "that's so unfair, why cant I have x, y or z that gave them the edge in the fight". I would more be inclined to think, right how can I get my revenge without putting myself in the position where they can do that to me again. Or if a more thoughtful character, how can I find out the source of their strength and negate it, or discover a weakness and exploit it. Hmm, I wonder where they eat, I wonder if I could get into their mess hall and...
You get the idea. Do you complain you cant get petrification breath when turned to stone by a gorgon? Or the ability to strip all magic and then kill someone with a gaze, after dying to a beholder? No of course you dont. This is a high fantasy world, expect the unexpected, go with the flow and accept the consequences to your actions and enjoy the ensuing stories. The simple fact is no player has been persecuted. Characters might have been, but if so, it is purely through their own actions. So roll with the punches, and come back fighting -intelligently-. Even Muga would not go stand outside the gates of Midor having a conversation whilst knowing she was being actively hunted by their army. Which I have seen some PCs do!
Hope some of the above has prompted some thought, just my personal views really.
Cheers,
Sirac |
'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions. |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 02:16 AM |
No elf has been killed in Midor who has not been guilty of a capital serious crime. Not one.
It is the elves themselves who have been caught, time and time again, murdering midoran citizens in cold blood. If that is not enough, the elves then attack the guards on the walls which is tantamount to an act of war.
Any wonder that elves are not trusted?
Nay, it is clear here who's behaviour is beyond reproach and it certainly is not the elves. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 02:29 AM |
Im just wondering when the other Gods are going to start giving us immunity to magic and impervous armour.
I mean after all, if Midoran is behaving so interventianist to the unjust detriment of all other races, surely Aros and Elbereth will intervene to protect their own, particularly as Aros is far more interventionist than Midoran is.
Hmm...
Missed this post. Guess you couldn't bite your tongue hard enough.
1/ No Midoran Knight has imprevious anything. None. Not a single one.
2/ The guards are equipped with items appropriate to the level of magic in vives. In fact, a PC of equal level will have better equipment.
3/ Each God equips or assists their own followers as much as they feel necessary. Given that it is the elves who attack Midor and not the other way around, having guards that are equipped well to protect themselves somewhat from the encursions of epic characters is only appropriate, no?
Any questions posed here are rehetorical.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 03:55 AM |
No elf has been killed in Midor who has not been guilty of a capital serious crime. Not one.
It is the elves themselves who have been caught, time and time again, murdering midoran citizens in cold blood. If that is not enough, the elves then attack the guards on the walls which is tantamount to an act of war.
Any wonder that elves are not trusted?
Nay, it is clear here who's behaviour is beyond reproach and it certainly is not the elves.
Proganda non-sense aside, I dont think Aros and Elbereth would simply go "Our people really do deserve it you know".
But back to the proganda, Vidus is a very sensible and clever man. He executes elves under pretence of law, he even commits heresy by declaring Aros and Elbereth do not exist (and executes or maims anyone who says otherswise) and oh,, he's the really clever bit, he hasn't invaded Ferein.... YET!
His own paladins form against him secretly because they believe he does all this in the hope Ferein will declare war first. He then gets to march on the Elven land and claim benevolence.
Now thats genius. Or at least it would be if we hadnt seen through it. *grins*
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Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 03:55 AM |
As for this conversation and my perspective, I took it tongue in cheek (especially since I bit mine). Personally I think the DMs (whether intentionally or unintentionally) have done an absolutely superb job.
I get the impression you dont like these arguments (or maybe Im wrong) but personally I take them as a credit to the story you have woven. To be able to seriously divide people over a religion like this is truly immersive and makes deities far more than "the people who give clerics spells".
This is almost like the Boos in pantomines. If you're a bady and get a boo its a compliment.
I think this is a masterpiece. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 04:20 AM |
[Positive contribution of the day]
*wanders about in a kilt with an acid-drippy spear, hunting the mean Midorans*
[Slightly more positive contribtion of the day.]
Of course all the Elves who are killed in Midor have commited crimes against the holy city, since being an Elf and near a crime is in itself a crime now.
-Barnas |
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Re: question about Red knights
Posted: 15 Apr 2005 04:20 AM |
Dont think any of the DMs are bothered about people calling the Midorans evil, power hungry fascists. They understand players often get confused and cant see / understand the truth that is Midoran's benevolence. *grins*
Only thing I think DMs will perhaps dislike a little is things like:
- Since when can a character be hit with magic missile or any magic damaging spell and it not hurt them unless they beat it with spell resistance or spell immunity?
- Im just wondering when the other Gods are going to start giving us immunity to magic and impervous armour.
Which does come across as complaining about game mechanics, and moaning when things havent gone quite the way a player expected / hoped for. As opposed to other posts stating the (misguided) belief that Midoran is anything less than a benevolent and righteous deity whose people have been sorely tested by elven aggression, posts which no DM is at all bothered about.
Simple fact is that a lot of characters rely on spells like missile storm a little too much to be able to kill anyone / anything. Dont expect that to be the case, have some variety in the magic you have at your disposal, or be prepared for the ocassional nasty surprise. The more a certain tactic is used, the more creatures and factions are likely to look for a way to survive such attacks in future. And so the world evolves...
Cheers,
Sirac |
'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions. |
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