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Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 11:32 AM |
Please give me a little room for error this is my first thread.
I met my first cleric of Aros the other day, other than me in the mirror, and it got me thinking am I a well known Cleric now, is there a rank structer for the Cleric's of Aros?
if there is then what is it?
Other than Lord Aros, who are my bosses? Do I have any others? Am I the boss? (hope not as i never askd to be one)
I think that this would have good in game possiblitys and lead to in game PC quests like the new clerics looking up famous ones, and kissing a$ or thinking that the person is not like the one in the stories.
Please dont think i am trying to be the boss as im not I dont mind haveing to answer to someone i just think that i would, to answer questions like how may people have you saved, what deeds did you do in the name of Aros, or guidance when you find yourself losing your faith.
Calia finds it hard as she has no one to speak to regarding theses matters as she untill now was the only Cleric of Aros.
Please tell me what you think. |
Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left.
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 02:37 PM |
| Maybe others have heard of her temper and hide |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 04:47 PM |
| I met one before, named Aurelia, but I don't think she is played any longer by her player. If you want my opinion, the clerics of a CG god ought to be independantly beholden to their god. Likewise the worshippers. But, I had this argument before, IC and OOC, over Bregodim who is also a CX god. Some clerics apparently yearn for a church structure and a hierarchy. This smacks of LX to me. Various PnP veterans have told me that the clerical structure does not have to reflect the alignment of the god. Since clerics have their powers god-granted, this seems odd to me. But I certainly am no expert on gaming rules. I only know my own opinion on the matter. *grins* |
Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 04:52 PM |
Agree with you totally in so far as a Chaotically aligned person, would not stand with a hierachal system.
That said, I dont think you have to be the same political alignment as your god. But since elves are generally CX this would normally be true for followers of Aros anyway. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 08:15 PM |
| Ah but not all elves are CX, I know of at least one who isn't |
Elvalia - Chosen of Aros
Elrith Mellin
Perin - 'Cleric (an' drewid) o' Elbreff' Weddin's an' pies a speciarality
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 21 Mar 2004 08:34 PM |
Well, and I know who you mean. But it that realistic or only NWN game mechanics?
I had a combined IC/OOC discussion once with a DM. He said IC that Bregodim would surely surround himself with paladins. Loli said, with some bewilderment, that she thought not (Bregodim is CN). Later, OOC, I brought it up with the DM, and he said that what he meant by "paladin" was fighter of honorable intent dedicated to the god in question. Which might, like the clerics, match the god and not be LG. But NWN can't handle paladins that are not LG. Strictly speaking COT, by NWN mechanics and slink's concepts of the universe, ought to be what everyone else uses, except evil gods who use BG. |
Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 22 Mar 2004 05:05 AM |
| Regardless of the alignment of the God, a Paladin would have to be LX. The whole point of a Paladin is that they follow a code, whether it be Good, Neutral or Evil. If you follow that code rigidly as they would then surely you must be LX. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 22 Mar 2004 06:24 AM |
| She is LX, but the code she follows is that of her god, not anything codified or written down, and as you know - or ought to - he is definitely not |
Elvalia - Chosen of Aros
Elrith Mellin
Perin - 'Cleric (an' drewid) o' Elbreff' Weddin's an' pies a speciarality
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 22 Mar 2004 12:48 PM |
As I understand ADnD 3.5e PnP (take this to be as relevant as you want to Vives):
A cleric may be ONE degree of seperation from their god and still retain their cleric powers. If their alignment strays more than one degree, they lose access to any spells beyond 3rd (2nd?) level, and/or any other consequences as dictated by the god.
So, a CG god could have CG, NG, or CN clerics. An LE god could have LE, NE, or LN clerics.
This is subject to revision per god/goddess (I'm pretty sure the Spider Mother goddess of the drow requires that all clerics be the exact same alignment. Ditto what's-his-name the LG god of Krynn.)
This isn't to say that a given worshipper of a god must follow that rule, only CLERICS. Clerics are intended to directly channel the will of their god through their bodies. I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, to channel the will of a god who's basic morality and ethics you radically disagreed with.
Again, though, that is ADnD and not Vives per se. Nothing says we have to follow that guideline.
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 23 Mar 2004 07:40 AM |
| you gotta love Figgy. erm. Figleaf =p |
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Sinjin Kane |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 23 Mar 2004 06:52 PM |
Not that his has to do with clerics of Aros, but it has to do with palladins of aros....
One thing that would have been nice is if Bioware had been able to use the real name for "Champion of Torm," which is the "Divine Champion" from the frealms setting. (The description and feats are very similar...divine champion has no epic levels, bioware wanted epic levels...this is what i heard, hence the name change...boo) The Divine Champion is perfect for palladin-inclined, but chaotic charachters.
From the description in the FRealms book:
"For deities that do not count palladins among their followers, divine champions fill the role
of the church-sponsored warrior."
I would like to see the Champion of Torm prc used like this in Vives, ie as a Divine Champion (substitution for palladins) for chaotic gods. |
-Narenia
Main PC: Dina Islme |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 23 Mar 2004 06:56 PM |
Hmmm...
I thought that a paladin of Aros (who's Lawful Good) would follow Aros' laws...therefore being a Lawful character...no?
Just my opinion :) |
Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam?
Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 23 Mar 2004 07:44 PM |
I am the Cleric of Aros that Caused this Threads creation.... And I am planning on asking for champion of Torm levels.... as a "champion of Aros"
My Cleric is a very warrior based cleric... And follows a very unique scheme. |
The Legacy Saga |
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Re: Cleric's of Aros.
Posted: 23 Mar 2004 08:50 PM |
| There is a Paladin of Aros, she is Lawful Good, and she follows Aros' laws |
Elvalia - Chosen of Aros
Elrith Mellin
Perin - 'Cleric (an' drewid) o' Elbreff' Weddin's an' pies a speciarality
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