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Re: Mask of the Betrayer > V2 Crafting
Posted: 29 Oct 2007 05:32 PM |
All - Something that has come up in the past is skills like bluff, intimidate and persuade, which some people buy into, some people don't. Opinion on the forums here seemed to be that these skills didn't mean much on an RP server
Tsk tsk renter6 I'm appalled. All the orcs you've played and never taken intimidate/barbarian to the level necessary to cause fear in your opponents? You have heard of "rage"?
I've never used persuade much on Vives...but some places do use it. I like the ideas espoused above and this thread almost has me convinced to try to play NWN2 ...once Vives2 is up. I like the idea that skill checks would actually mean something. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer > V2 Crafting
Posted: 29 Oct 2007 05:40 PM |
We have a couple of ideas, although we've not yet decided which one to go with.
One of those ideas is to keep separate totals of XP given for various things, such as RP, combat, spellcasting, whatever. Any xp lost (if we have an xp losing system) might only come from one of the pools - so you might never lose RP xp for instance.
Anyway, we have time to work it out and make it better than in V1.
Here is one that may be new for you. It is done this way on another server. You begin with ten soul runes. At some point...(on that world level 10) you respawn, you lose a soul rune. After successfully gaining 5 levels (in the previous example 15, 10, 25 and so on.) You gain another soul rune. But you never have more than 10. Use them all (up respawn 10 times) your pc will die permanently if he dies again.
There are potions that will give you a soul rune...but they are -extremely rare- gold loss and xp loss is also possible with this system.
Not advocating permadeath... just throwing out something I have encountered. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 29 Oct 2007 08:08 PM |
We have a couple of ideas, although we've not yet decided which one to go with.
One of those ideas is to keep separate totals of XP given for various things, such as RP, combat, spellcasting, whatever. Any xp lost (if we have an xp losing system) might only come from one of the pools - so you might never lose RP xp for instance.
Anyway, we have time to work it out and make it better than in V1.
Here is one that may be new for you. It is done this way on another server. You begin with ten soul runes. At some point...(on that world level 10) you respawn, you lose a soul rune. After successfully gaining 5 levels (in the previous example 15, 10, 25 and so on.) You gain another soul rune. But you never have more than 10. Use them all (up respawn 10 times) your pc will die permanently if he dies again.
There are potions that will give you a soul rune...but they are -extremely rare- gold loss and xp loss is also possible with this system.
Not advocating permadeath... just throwing out something I have encountered.
Yeah, the permadeath will never happen... only time a PC is permakilled is if the player chooses to do it themselves. (or if the actual player is banned from the server, but I only know of one of those)
There was much discussion about this not so long ago, in regards to stupid IC actions which SHOULD result in your PC getting killed. Some players would probably choose for their character to be permadeathed.. because it would be the OOC right thing to do to their IC PC.
Other people.. well.. they get a little too attached to their characters, and can't let go. Then we would have to figgure out a way to make that happen. [edit] (keep them around. probably some divine intervention or what-have-you)[/edit]
I certainly can't blame them for getting attached. I get very attached to MY characters, and I know it would be a tough decision to make if one of them were to ever get into that kind of situation. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 29 Oct 2007 08:31 PM |
I certainly can't blame them for getting attached. I get very attached to MY characters, and I know it would be a tough decision to make if one of them were to ever get into that kind of situation.
Wimps!
Permadeath! Its whats fer dinner! |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 29 Oct 2007 09:41 PM |
| LOL Henesua has blood and gore and guts and veins all in his teeth. Eats burnt dead bodies (of PCs)! |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 29 Oct 2007 09:52 PM |
| I love permakilling characters. Though I haven't done it in an awfully long time... |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 30 Oct 2007 01:05 AM |
| You fellas lack commitment! |
WickedArtist: I think he needs a proper elf.
WickedArtist: A christmas elf!
Tasra: Any sort of elf that actually smiles ;o
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 30 Oct 2007 01:19 AM |
Tell that to Alton.
Or at the very least "tell it to the mountain". |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 30 Oct 2007 01:28 PM |
One of those ideas is to keep separate totals of XP given for various things, such as RP, combat, spellcasting, whatever. Any xp lost (if we have an xp losing system) might only come from one of the pools - so you might never lose RP xp for instance.
Anyway, we have time to work it out and make it better than in V1.
Here is one that may be new for you. It is done this way on another server. You begin with ten soul runes. At some point...(on that world level 10) you respawn, you lose a soul rune. After successfully gaining 5 levels (in the previous example 15, 10, 25 and so on.) You gain another soul rune. But you never have more than 10. Use them all (up respawn 10 times) your pc will die permanently if he dies again.
There are potions that will give you a soul rune...but they are -extremely rare- gold loss and xp loss is also possible with this system.
Not advocating permadeath... just throwing out something I have encountered.
I strongly recommend keeping the xp systems (both for gain and for loss by respawn) simple. A computer may be able to handle complicated systems, but believe you me; you will not be able to keep a system this complicated working smoothly as you alter the world.
I suggest you make the equations for xp gain and respawn perfect and don't include many other variables in the system (ideally none).
For crafting you may wish to have a script to keep track of how practiced a character is in a specific craft as (I gather) there is no system in NwN2 doing this. Other than this I assure you, having a pile of variables tracking each characters progress will not make for a good system. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 30 Oct 2007 03:45 PM |
I suggest you make the equations for xp gain and respawn perfect and don't include many other variables in the system (ideally none).
In my experience there is more overhead in database access than anywhere else in NWN. LoME another player world uses the above and ORS and frankly is more responsive than Vives. I believe this is due to CNR and the large inventories kept by PC's though. Also it has been ruled that no pc is deleted. But then ORS has it's on db I think Olander said ..he didn't like the existing ones...and it's own crafting and hunger- thirst- fatigue. And it's own crit system...and all switchable by dm's ...I digress.
As for variable well yeah. KISS. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 31 Oct 2007 02:07 PM |
I can't really understand any of that. Could you type out some of the abbreviations please? Or perhaps check the sentence structure?
As best I can make out you mean.
"In my experience there is more overhead in database access, than anywhere else in NWN. LoME (another player world) uses the above and ORS. Frankly this is more responsive than Vives. I believe this is due to players having large numbers of the files on their own computors. This server, like vives, has a rule that no pc is deleted, but keeps its characters different kind of data base... I think Olander said he didn't like the way the original data bases worked. It also has its own system for crafting, hunger, thirst, and fatigue. They have also changed the rules for critical hits. "
I'm not sure what you mean by " all switchable by dm's" or "As for variable well yeah. KISS", although I assume KISS is an abbreviation as it's all in capitals.
When I wrote my post I was thinking about game play balance rather than program efficiency. I have never studied any kind of programing (although I am familiar with algorithms from my maths course) and would not be able to offer any advise on how to reduce lag on the server.
Essentially the reason for my post was that many of the ideas that have been suggested sound like a headache to think through. Chances are, one of the builders would misinterpret what the variables were supposed to represent, or what range of values they were meant to take. A small error could cause the xp system to favor a completely different kind of game-play to what was intended. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 31 Oct 2007 02:50 PM |
| I'll quickly point out that KISS = Keep It Simple, Stupid |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 31 Oct 2007 02:52 PM |
LoME Lords of Midde Earth
NWN Neverwinter Nights
dm's Dungeon Masters
ORS Olander's Realistic System aka Olander's Resting System
KISS "Keep it simple stupid" |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 31 Oct 2007 03:06 PM |
I'll quickly point out that KISS = Keep It Simple, Stupid
Oh I thought that was a Gene Simmons thing.... |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 31 Oct 2007 03:13 PM |
| -shakes head- Henesua ....erstwhile druid...wannabe rock star =P |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 31 Oct 2007 03:29 PM |
-shakes head- Henesua ....erstwhile druid...wannabe rock star =P
*Considers the bass and cabinet gathering dust in the closet behind the baby stuff*
Those days are over.
Recently I had to make room for baby stuff in our one bed room apartment. I got rid of an ovation guitar, my old acoustic beater which I had carried into the sahara and played atop some dunes to a camel on the algerian/moroccan border (sniff... i miss it, but it was a cheap thing that I had for free), i consider selling my cheap bass and the huge amp I bought for it - and I almost against my better judgement got rid of my Frankenstein Strat with les paul switch, split coil humbuckers, and wide Chandler neck. I love that guitar. But I haven't performed in front of a crowd since....
holy smokes!
I have not performed since 1999. And my last audition with a professional musician... 2003. That guy was awesome (New Orleans style rock/blues with some Allman Brothersish tunes) and wanted me to play rhythm guitar for him and help write tunes, but I stupidly and arrogantly said that I was using him to learn bass. BAH! So I got canned. I never thought I would. And well... I haven't played for in front of a crowd or auditioned since. Just don't have the heart for it.
I still can't believe that an amateur like myself thought I could use a guy like that to learn bass in his new band. He had played on the same stage of the likes of the Meters, Harry Connick Jr... etc.... whatever the hell that old club is called.... Anyway. Enough personal history.
Time to pack it in!
The equipment (on top of a Sax and Clarinet) will be maintained for the kid(s) when they are old enough. Meanwhile my dad still tears it up.... I am such a loser! |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer & V2 Crafting & various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 04:16 AM |
Just finished MoTB.
I enjoyed it.
[Moderator's note: hey dumbass, your post is off topic. Go get your own thread] |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer &amp;amp; V2 Crafting &amp;amp; various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 10:54 AM |
| Wait a minute, Paul...I think Mask of the Betrayer comments go in a different thread... |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer &amp;amp; V2 Crafting &amp;amp; various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 11:54 AM |
yeah, I think you are right.
I had better put on my moderator hat and mark my previous post as offtopic. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer &amp;amp; V2 Crafting &amp;amp; various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 01:22 PM |
| You guys make me cry inside. |
- [Rob], Balthor, Jake, and Thomas. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer &amp;amp; V2 Crafting &amp;amp; various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 02:25 PM |
| But laugh on the outside? That's what I did, at least. |
IG character: Alis Rapidshill |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer &amp;amp; V2 Crafting &amp;amp; various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 02:42 PM |
I would apologize for wandering too far afield.
But I enjoy the silliness so much... that I am not truly repentant. |
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Re: Mask of the Betrayer &amp;amp;amp;amp; V2 Crafting &amp;amp;amp;amp; various other stuff
Posted: 01 Nov 2007 03:10 PM |
To think I thought I was off topic... :-D
PS. Spot the irony. |
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