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On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 14 Oct 2003 05:57 PM |
| I want to be careful not to step on toes, because I am thouroughly sold on the whole Role Play system, but I would like to comment on something I have seen coming from a Neverwinter Nights Hack n' Slash system. Some individuals who can make great Role Play characters seem to lack the ability to make great fighting characters, characters with lot of skill and abilities to defend themselves. There are some really great characters even in this field, but I haven't seen a lot of high-damage characters yet. Someone told me that it was not a power server and therefore high-damage characters are cut out. I disagree with that now. Pick the right feats, put AP points in the right categories, and I guarantee you the dice will do the rest. I intend to have the best of both worlds, power and good Role Play, or at least I hope. Role Play is fun, but how many people have seen Horrid Wilting? How many have seen Isaac's Greater Missile Storm Maximized for a total of 240 damage points? How about a Cleric doing 200 damage on a critical hit? Y'all are great players, but I think the ability to kill enemies is important too. Maybe I'm totally wrong about this issue, but hey, it's a public forum where opinions and ideas are cast around all the time, so take it for what it's worth. And if you're having trouble figuring out how to make a strong character, read your NWN handbook. |
Tycho Brahe
"There has to be a standard."
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 14 Oct 2003 06:38 PM |
Get out of here power gamer, we don't need your non-roleplaying filth.
Har har, that is the funny .
In all seriousness, true roleplay comes from the actions, words, and behaviour of the person playing, the stats and such are no real indicator of good RP. Sure, some things like low wis/int on a half-orc kind of require some RP to go along with this, but this in no way infers you don't need to be able to fight well. Many of the monsters in this server require quite powerful characters, or groups of a balanced party of smart, lethal adventurers.
For instance, there are several characters (Knocksash, Walin Banion, Oronk Baneroot) that are high level and could quite possibly at this point in their careers wipe out most other players (In fact some can take on adult/ancient dragons more than 1 dragon at a time by themselves). So don't for a second think being strong or liking combat means we stray from RP. The two often go hand in hand. We just draw the line at super-power gaming (+5 items, 15/- resist items, etc that makes CLASSES useless), or power gaming to the point where it detracts from the roleplay of all the others (Like PK'ig or griefing).
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 14 Oct 2003 07:35 PM |
I want to be careful not to step on toes, because I am thouroughly sold on the whole Role Play system, but I would like to comment on something I have seen coming from a Neverwinter Nights Hack n' Slash system. Some individuals who can make great Role Play characters seem to lack the ability to make great fighting characters, characters with lot of skill and abilities to defend themselves. There are some really great characters even in this field, but I haven't seen a lot of high-damage characters yet. Someone told me that it was not a power server and therefore high-damage characters are cut out. I disagree with that now. Pick the right feats, put AP points in the right categories, and I guarantee you the dice will do the rest. I intend to have the best of both worlds, power and good Role Play, or at least I hope. Role Play is fun, but how many people have seen Horrid Wilting? How many have seen Isaac's Greater Missile Storm Maximized for a total of 240 damage points? How about a Cleric doing 200 damage on a critical hit? Y'all are great players, but I think the ability to kill enemies is important too. Maybe I'm totally wrong about this issue, but hey, it's a public forum where opinions and ideas are cast around all the time, so take it for what it's worth. And if you're having trouble figuring out how to make a strong character, read your NWN handbook.
*blinks* What are you trying to say? |
Aria
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 14 Oct 2003 07:44 PM |
I'm not sure I follow either...
I play a wizard who has managed to climb to his 11th 'season' Granted I can empower my fireballs and other damaging spells, but I never do so. Why ? It's not in his character, I don't see why I would like to do 240 points of damage to something. *shrugs*
I like my character as he is. He has lots of weaknesses, can get killed very easily without a proper party and even in a party, he's mostly along for the knowledge, not to blast everything out of the sky that there is. I could do that with my character from the original NWN campaign, but he's level 20 and an ancient dragon was also nothing for that wizard.
I build my character as the need arises. I can't give you a full history, but ask me details and I'll fill them in as required. I don't need power, that's not the built of my current character. One can combine power with RP but as said in other threads I'd hate to see permanent haste, DR 25/+5, MR 25, etc... then I won't need a party anymore and I can go roleplay with my familiar (which I've done btwand it was loads of fun).
Bleh, I should get in bed it's nearly 2 am |
Luther McIath: I see, so [X is] the right person in the wrong place with the wrong people at the wrong time.
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 14 Oct 2003 10:19 PM |
| Oh no, I wish I could take that back, I don't like power gaming any more either, it is boring. Won't try to defend myself too much cause RP is more fun than power gaming hands down. Just heard two comments that made me think, one was there weren't really powerful players because of limited weapons, two was character setup (feats and stuff) isn't that important, RP is more important. True RP is important but if your character has crap AC and crap saves and doesn't do any damage, can you RP? You gotta be alive to RP. Don't brand me for some crazy power gamer, I've been there, done that. I wouldn't have 40 hours on this server if I were still shooting for that goal. Gaining levels is WAY too slow for that mentality. Just suggesting that there is some value to properly building a character feat and ability wise. BTW, I totally agree with the damage resist comments, damage resistance was totally stupid. Made you invincible, then it's no fun at all. |
Tycho Brahe
"There has to be a standard."
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 14 Oct 2003 11:19 PM |
Well, in my opinion it all has it's place dependant on the character being played. For example, Slink plays a character by the name of Gnora Gnomebody (sorry Slink if I messed up the name) and she basically has nothing to do with combat, but can still be RP'ed. Actually I think it is nice that there are some people playing those characters as it gives the whole world a little more life, instead of just knowing that there -are- people like that in the world, now you can actually talk to them. Anyway, think I am going off on a tangent now... So yeah, I think if the character is building toward being strong, or casting very powerful magics, then that is fine, but not necessary for role play.
Those are my thoughts. Hear them, know them, follow them.... ermmm... I mean it's all in my opinion do with it what you will.
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 15 Oct 2003 02:50 AM |
Tycho - I can see where you're coming from :)
And second, although owing to real-life commitments he can't come along any more, we DID have a very strong character who was also roleplayed: WomanWho had a Strength of 20 and really could take down anything, backed up by the right group :) |
- Who needs Epic Levels when you have Epic Eyebrows? |
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 15 Oct 2003 02:32 PM |
So Woman is gone? *sad look* She will be missed. Her and her fadder lost in his Bag-of-Holding-bed, and her touching innocence of why a child's existence requires both a mother and a father. And most of all, I'll never find out who her mother was. *anguished scream reminiscent of someone who discovers that the answer to a question central to the plot is in the next not-yet-published volume of a series*
:)
And that's close enough to Gnora's name. I was amused by how someone (Calmeir?) introduced her as Nora after having met her, which is quite appropriate. Gnora may come out of the Paws Inn and make some more Miner's Packs for sale in the shops, provided she is sure that the cows and chickens are cured of their malady. Also, she is not sure if she can make it to Brandibuck any more, to do her baking, because of the sudden upswing in goblin activity. But her pies and bread were inedible anyway, a fitting accompaniment to mugs of Winky's Undrinkable. |
Dieties preserve us from the evil chaotics named Lag, Crash, and Server Reset.
PCs: Loli Dankirk (Ftr 18/Brd 8.5 @ 1777 hrs) left Vives for Origins; Gnora Gnombody (Sor 5 @ 54 hrs) and Amanda Stark (Wiz 3 @ ~10 hrs) left Vives for Feline Providence. |
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Re: On the value of Hack n' Slash
Posted: 15 Oct 2003 02:34 PM |
| :D Woman may well be back someday. It's just that the poor guy who plays her is on a teaching course, and after just doing the mere work experience myself, I can assure you that the actual course itself is /beyond/ exhausting ^_^ |
- Who needs Epic Levels when you have Epic Eyebrows? |
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