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Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 08:03 AM |
Wierd event last night, prob. not exactly a "bug"...
Vrodo was killed in the Divider Chain while dominating a grizzly bear. The bear was actually some distance away as Vrodo explored ahead (smart I know... Gee, I was exploring alone again and got killed by something?!). Vrodo dies and "is no longer dominating someone", but I hit the respawn button really fast and was transported to the Icy Vale Hot Springs...
Who is standing humorously close to Vrodo inside Shaldriel's cabin? Like, snout right between his shoulder blades? The indominable grizzly!! And this time, it was personal!
The bear just kind of stood there buggishly, highlighted red, but Shaldriel dropped all kinds of AOE spells on it, killing it in short order. Vrodo, not having rested, was wiped out as well.
I think the lesson here was that I hit respawn too fast. Give the server time to realize you are "no longer dominating someone" before you respawn.
(P.S. Die in the hot springs and you get a second chance in Midor! Whee!) |
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 01:00 PM |
Continuing strangeness... ranger-dominated animals aren't showing in my party list at the side of the screen. I can't release an animal from domination if I can't see it. If its out of sight, I have to rest to get rid of it. Maybe a server-based change? I'll keep tinkering with it...
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 01:28 PM |
I have not noticed this problem.... But a feature I have enountered often - as Zube's survival is often contingent upon a swarm of summons and animals at her disposal - is that distant animals are not toggle-able. Meaning an animal that you have told to wait somewhere and then walked across the area to get away from is not able to respond to commands. Perhaps this is true of trying to release it from domination as well - but I can not remember trying that out.
Hmmm.... but if there are problems I'll leave those mastodons alone for awhile. I don't plan on getting trampled by one I've dominated. |
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 03:10 PM |
I think I submitted the respawning in Midor when dying in the hot springs as a bug in the past. And yes, I have died in the Hot springs before unintentionally... *walks away embarrassed*
The same is the case for the Dragon's Tears' Watermill. |
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 03:51 PM |
Hmm...to me the bigger message in this thread - to rangers, druids, and all spellcasters capable of dominating creatures - is not to do it.
My own experience is that dominating creatures gets me killed more often than it saves my bacon. I believe Lucius took a rash of dirtnaps shortly after learning the seventh level control undead spell, and another rash of them after learning dominate monster.
I've seen Kal dirtnap from a mammoth that suffered a fear effect and turned on him; I've seen dominated critters in a mixed-level party come out of domination and attack the one with the least hp; I've just seen lots of blechy things happen with dominated critters.
I know it's just personal preference, but I have nothing but trouble with domination. Mind spells make the creatures stop being dominated, as does dispel magic. The more powerful your dominated creature, the more likely you're using it to face something equally powerful. Those equally powerful critters seem to always have some spell or spell like effect to release the creature from domination at exactly the wrong time.
Just not for me. Bummer on the double dirtnap, Renter6.
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 04:17 PM |
I just gotta say, that Zube has built a career out of using animal empathy. Perhaps you just gotta practice a lot, and learn the ropes on the simple critters before you start commanding the big nasties.
One handy spell that she regularly lays on her weaker headed companions - protection from evil. It really works. I do not go after nasty spell casters so I can not vouch for how only one spell would protect against those sorts. But then again I suppose an invisible dire lion with protection from evil would be a nasty surprise for most characters trying to get spells off.
But then again I'm extremely patient when I solo - which is precisely when I need the extra back up that animal empathy provides. I usually scope an area out, leave, then return with my troops.
Of course, I have yet to try out those mastadons. I think they are somewhere between 10th-12th level animals. And they tend to be hostile... Seems a little risky for a level 8 druid to take on....
So anyway the moral... my experiences have been good. I have yet to be killed by a dominated critter. But I suppose hat comes form avoiding powerful spellcasters as well as having lots of practice. |
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 05:01 PM |
I have a couple of characters who make a solo living off dominated creatures, and I have to say, the only ones that have bitten me in the butt when I wasn't looking were the Displacer beasts. Once your empathy expires, they disappear, and they don't disappear with invisibility either, no, it's the modal stealth action. As such, they stay.... in stealth mode... until they get in melee range with you, their former master. Unfortunately, since they are in stealth mode, you can run and run and run, and they will crawl after you, and just when you think your safe, and you've been sitting in the Port Royale Baths for 20 minutes, surrounded by innocent bystanders, the beast pops out of nowhere, 2 hours after you last saw it, and tears you to shreds.
I think the one that got me finally did the deed on the great plains. That will give you paranoia, even more so than invisible spiders that follow you around no matter what you do, where you go, or how fast you run. Spiders that no magic will reveal... spiders.... that follow you to Listen! Always Listening! |
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 09:25 PM |
This is hilarious:
...the only ones that have bitten me in the butt when I wasn't looking were the Displacer beasts. Once your empathy expires, they disappear, and they don't disappear with invisibility either, no, it's the modal stealth action. As such, they stay.... in stealth mode... until they get in melee range with you, their former master. Unfortunately, since they are in stealth mode, you can run and run and run, and they will crawl after you, and just when you think your safe, and you've been sitting in the Port Royale Baths for 20 minutes, surrounded by innocent bystanders, the beast pops out of nowhere, 2 hours after you last saw it, and tears you to shreds.
They are evil! Far more evil than the evilest badgers. I now understand better how vengeful beasts end up in strange places.
Hen, I can almost always release an animal from domination at a distance. I try and get critters out of harm's way with that tactic, or leave them in a corner pocket when the fighting is over.
RB, Got to say I'm remembering how guuuuud Vives is for thems with empathy. Doesn't keep you alive long for overconfidence, but man... Snap your fingers and you're in a grizzly bear sandwich (and you didn't even dominate anybody! They just sort of warm up to you!). Also there is no casting time w/ animal empathy and unlimited uses, so there's less at stake I think.
On the other hand, been killed many times searching for the animal empathy function while some creature was knocking me down and eating me. Empathizing when I should have been running. So that's a lousy trade off I guess. Been killed/crashed loosing my animals upon the party, too. That ain't no good...
Still having little minor wierdness, got the message "you are no longer dominating..." when I clearly still was. I'm resigning myself to the fact that animal empathy is a little buggy, but not harmfully so. |
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 19 Jul 2006 09:58 PM |
On the other hand, been killed many times searching for the animal empathy function while some creature was knocking me down and eating me. Empathizing when I should have been running. So that's a lousy trade off I guess. Been killed/crashed loosing my animals upon the party, too. That ain't no good...
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Re: Double-kill at the hands of Shaldriel
Posted: 30 Oct 2006 11:46 AM |
This happened again today. Vrodo was killed while dominating a dire bear. He clearly got the message that he was no longer dominating the dire bear. I let him lay there about three minutes before respawning. He respawned at the Wyrmtongue Estuary and the dire bear - not dominated - was transported to the respawn point with him.
I guess the rule shall be log out and in again before respawning, just to make absolutely doubly sure nothing funny happens. |
"What are you talking about?"
"I'm talking about dying."
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"It means lying in the ground with dirt on your face and holding your breath forever."
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