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Vives Spell Changes
Posted: 28 Mar 2005 09:40 PM |
(was titled v2-59-9a changes)
Latest version of the changes can be found here -> Spell/Feat Changes in Vives. This thread is for discussion only.
Hi All,
We don't often post about the changes we make to the mod as it is usually a FOIG thing.
However, a recent set of changes requires your attention. I have gone and added some fixes to spells that have had "implementation issues". Spellcasters take note: If one of your favourite spells is in here, please pay attention and let me know if everything works as described.
It'll take me a while to test everything, but you can help me speed up the process..
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 30 Mar 2005 12:32 PM |
*bump*
- changes to the last three spells listed above made
- some more changes verified. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 30 Mar 2005 01:03 PM |
(ok) greater sanctuary uses the invisibility visual effect, in addition to the swirly blue lights
Is this now bug free?
And thats one heck of a load of updates. Thanks PD. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 30 Mar 2005 01:42 PM |
| test it and let me know. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 30 Mar 2005 02:11 PM |
sweet! thanks Paul. cant wait to try out greater sanctuary now...a long needed fix that has been :)
keep up the brilliant work! |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 30 Mar 2005 07:14 PM |
*Jonny takes a deep swig of his Mind Flayer as the last of the wise words passes from one ear and out the other*
*The equally flumuxed dwarf sat opposite him enquires;*
"What was all that aboot lad ?"
"Dunno stumpy man, summat about damagin yer testicles i think"
"Oh"
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"wanna go hit things on tha head like ?"
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You can either keep it and watch it die.
Or let it go and watch it fly away.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 31 Mar 2005 01:28 AM |
| *blinks and looks flumuxed* |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 31 Mar 2005 04:01 PM |
Out of curosity.. Would there happen to be any plans to use the tlk file to make these changes appear on the spells themselves? If the DM's do not have time to, perhaps someone else?
Also..
List of tested:
- Dominate Monster, Dominate Person, Dominate Animals = 1 turn per level, not one round-
Dominate Person confirmed to last longer than rounds.
- sunburst does d8 damage vs undead instead of d6-
Noticed damage increase, assumeing that it is inflicting the said d8 damage now.
- clarity also removes fear, does not do damage when removing bad effects. Duration 1 turn/level-
Confirmed to remove fear, did not inflict damage, and lasted over 1 round |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 12:43 AM |
Out of curosity.. Would there happen to be any plans to use the tlk file to make these changes appear on the spells themselves? If the DM's do not have time to, perhaps someone else?
Depends. It would be worth doing. I would like to change a few of the strings, such as changing Champion of Torm to Divine Champion.
Editing the tlk file would allow us to do cool things like, add new spells, for instance.
Anyone know of any good tlk editors?
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 04:41 AM |
Some of these changes are amazing and solve a lot of the complaints I've had with a number of spells for a long time.
The changes also mean that my spellcasting lineup is going to change a LOT.
Awesome changes. |
- [Rob], Balthor, Jake, and Thomas. |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 07:46 PM |
Tested:
- drown, does 1d6 dmg/level, rather than 90% of hp... does magical damage (ok)
- Not sure about maximise/empower
- energy drain does not get a fortitude saving throw (ok)
- mind blank also removes fear (ok)
- incendiary cloud has no SR check (ok)
- banishment only targets enemies summons, not friendlies (ok)
- bigby's forceful hand does d8 damage as well as including hte casters ability modifer in teh check (Not working, obviously doesn't include int modifier)
- no SR check for acid fog (ok)
- dismissal only targets enemies summons, not friendlies (ok)
- wall of fire is 1 round / level, not every 2 levels. does 2d6+1/level of caster, not 4d6. does double damage vs undead, no reflex save as per phb (ok)
- cone of cold does d8 instead of d6 (ok)
- enervation has no fort save (ok)
- confusion only affects enemies, not allies (ok)
- web - no SR as it is a physical effect. Lasts 1 round a level (ok)
- tasha's hideous laughter lasts one round per level as PHB (ok)
- grease gets no SR as it is a physical effect. (ok)
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 02 Apr 2005 07:13 AM |
| Greater Sanctuary does indeed use the invis spell display but the bug still exists. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 02 Apr 2005 11:43 AM |
Greater Sanctuary has always worked for me, without fail.
In order to track down the bug, can you tell me what it takes to reproduce it?
- what are the minimum spells you have cast on yourself to trigger this? For example, casting invisibility after GS causes GS to become "See through" to those creatures with see invisibility or true sight.
- does it happen with the same creature, or is it random? |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 06:22 AM |
I cannot remember who told me this, I think it was one of the old Thain guys who have switched, but apparently its a known bug.
Basically every so often when you cast Greater Sanctuary it only works as Sanctuary.
The significance of this is that if they make a save they can see right through it and whats more can attack you. Since GS means you cannot be targeted even if they have TS (except by area of effect spells in Vives because they dont have planes GAH!) this can be quite frustrating (them targeting you, not the Vives mono-planar thing).
I havent noticed what triggers it yet but shall keep my eyes open.
One thing to note is sometimes you are forwarned as the Sanctuary icon is displayed as opposed to the GS icon, so you know your vulnerable. But this doesnt always work.
I have to admit I have only noticed this problem recently but apparently like I said it is a known bug which is why I havent made to much a fuss about it as I thought it was non-repairable.
But then, I suppose that underestimates the wonderous genius that is PDW |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 06:23 AM |
One thing to note is sometimes you are forwarned as the Sanctuary icon is displayed as opposed to the GS icon, so you know your vulnerable. But this doesnt always work.
And I have died to this because a guard was able to attack me and I didnt know GS was working as S. |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 06:34 AM |
- bigby's forceful hand does d8 damage as well as including hte casters ability modifer in teh check (Not working, obviously doesn't include int modifier)
*Slaps forehead* Disregard. I need to check this one again as I misread it. I thought it said ability modifier in the damage, not the check. Duh. *Slaps forehead again* |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 09:59 AM |
The bug you are referring to is mentioned in the 1.66beta 2 notes as being fixed.
How strange that I never saw that bug happen.
Anyway, engine bug, so nothing we can do until the next patch.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
--
<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 11:10 AM |
1.66?
We're pm 1.65 is that right? |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 12:20 PM |
| correct. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 02:11 PM |
Aslyrai has Never been able to get past Vaastilaax with Greater Sanctuary... One time... I even stood with my Greater Santuary in effect.. ( I was effected by fear, because he saw me) while Vaast took a good long 40 seconds or so to kill me, the whole time still having my GS on...
Another day, I tried again, and he could still see me, (but not Bereil that lucky bastard)
I've never had problems getting past Vaast unseen with Greater Sanctuary with Daimon, however. (If you don't know, don't ask)
Edit: on a positive note... these Spell Changes Kick butt! |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 02:14 PM |
A manticore once saw me with my greater sanctuary...*shivers* that was mean! *SNIFF* ;)
the changes are...hum cool I guess *shrugs and puts a thumb up* :)
-Kim |
Frodo : What are we holding on to, Sam?
Sam : That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 02:27 PM |
I have only had problems as Sol with GS once or twice.
I am fairky certain that the spell icon was still the GS one though. And the monsters could just see me every time I cast it (4 or 5 times) that one reset. Next reset it was fine *shrugs* has happened once or twice since, but I logged out soon after it happening so not sure if it was a reset thing or just a one-off.
Sol |
- Solitaire, Wizard
- Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 03:14 PM |
There was some kind of change in the mod that made it happen all the more frequently for me.
I cannot remember what it is, but I had never seen it before.
That said, you shouldnt be using GS to sneak past dragons anyway as they can (if the AI works) still use their breath weapon. Thats because of some odd Vives thing but I learned the hardway!
Thanks PDW |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 03 Apr 2005 05:38 PM |
*bump*
protection from evil/good and death armour changed. |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
--
"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
--
<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: v2-59-9a changes
Posted: 04 Apr 2005 01:07 AM |
| changed to what? |
Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left.
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