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Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 19 Dec 2004 08:08 PM |
Hello everyone, this is my first posting on the forums.
This is not meant as a flaming for anyone, but player feedback.I was told this would be the forum to post it on.
Firstly i would like to say i think Vives is great, it is by far the most enjoyable NWN server i have tried, and i do appreciate all the hard work the refs do to make the game more enjoyable for us all.
Anyway, from a pesonal players point of view i find it detracts from roleplay immersion if a referee obviously change the stats of a normal npc/ monster he is playing during an encounter to avoid its death, eg: player attacks the part from supprise, quickly beats it to near death, and the ref then makes the part invincible in order to ensure that the encounter turns out a cirtain way.
This kind of thing makes me feel like i have been railroaded along a plot line and gives the feel that my actions as a player would have little outcome on the result of the encounter.
For me, part of the whole appeal of having live refs on line to interact with is being able to choose more than "options 1 or 2", and, if appropriate to the character being played, to do something unusual, though obviously there should always be parts a characters cannot just kill.
i do know Vives is much more role play intensive that combat based, is it good ettiquette on this server to avoid combat with a part being played by a referee (even if the character would otherwise enter into combat with the part?)
Anyway, i am not trying to flame anyone, just sharing my thoughts and would be interested to hear what others have to say on the subject :o)
All the best,
Chris |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 19 Dec 2004 08:49 PM |
dang DMs cheat, I tell ya.
I was fighting this guy, and had he not been invincible I totally would have gotten major pwn on him.
Yeah, that whole DM invincibility thing CAN be kinda cheap - ESPECIALLY when an invincible NPC goes around challenging people to fights when protected as such. I mean, I did it, and they told ME it was kinda cheap.
But, I hold no ill will. |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 19 Dec 2004 09:07 PM |
My first post ever I think.
Anyway, I haven't encountered any invincible mobs that have been controlled by a DM, not yet anyhow. I find it much more entertaining though, an actual challenge, in some ways it's the thought of it being just like PvP. Where I recently came from the GMs would just use a slay command and never gave it so much of a thought in RP as they do here. But once again, I haven't met anything I consider invincible yet, heh. |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 20 Dec 2004 07:06 AM |
As a rule, the DM's avoid invunerable creatures. If this means that a hack and slasher ends an important part of a quest through their instant desire to slay everything that moves, so be it.
However there may be reasons why a DM may choose to do so.
Chris, I'll tell you why in a pm shortly. It will be up to you to choose whether to post the reply to this forum publically.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 20 Dec 2004 07:56 AM |
That obnoxious man in the tuxedo (Cuthbert Good?) that gives directions in Midor is invulnerable. Glordong wasted several quality seconds hacking away at him while Midor infantrymen and knights were pummelling Glordong... I realize this isn't the issue here, I just thought I'd complain a bit... . ...and I'm not really complaining... ...I just really wanted to be able to say I'd slaughtered Cuthbert Good... ...he's so... deserving... |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 20 Dec 2004 08:11 AM |
heh...
yeah, well, some of the NPC's are invunerable. Thats to stop them from being killed from something when they should really run away.
It reminds me of the time when the Kusin did runs to Midor, and I had managed to lead some critters from the depths of Port Royale into the streets. Kusin died.
For the next two hours, I stood around and watched as more and more characters stood around asking "where's Kusin" and go off to search for him. Quite a crowd developed.
I nearly peed myself with laughter.
Soon afterwards, a number of key NPC's became invunerable.
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 20 Dec 2004 11:57 AM |
Thanks for the replies to my posting.
I do realise that with the game mechanice involved some NPC's do need to be invulnerable.
I guess the issue which prompted my post was that the character i was playing knew night masks frequented the location he was in, and being a chaotic evil psychopathic thief (who is a member of their rival guild) he frequently goes there to murder them.
If the first night mask he came across had gone to get his superior to get my character what he was after, (rather than dealing with it himself), my character obviously would not have attacked.
From the perspective of my character it seemed a "random" night mask, of the kind he had slain many times in the past, had something of great value upon him. My character then attacked what he percieved to be a easy fight, who then became invulnerable when near deeth.
I did have a differant plan for how i was going to deal with the situation but i guess the referee decided he wanted it dealt with in a cirtain way.
Anyway, no hard feelings :o)
i hope my feedback was of use.
All the best,
Chris |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 21 Dec 2004 07:09 AM |
if you think its bad when the NPC's are invinsiable think how unfair it is when they still attack you Jand might have attacked the undead owner of Carfix inn only to find that he wasnt dieing and Jand was. I think the DM's do love to play there silly little mind game *laughs*
Well Jand got fit pretty quick ;D |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 21 Dec 2004 07:35 AM |
Umm, actually DM's had nothing to do with the undead barkeep in Carfax inn. He was always set to invulnerable, and was blue, but you attacked him. Not sure why he was invulnerable in the 1st place, but it wasnt DM's being evil and/or playing mind games...for once.
Cheers,
Sirac |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 21 Dec 2004 08:13 AM |
*watches Sirac for signs of telling fibs. The shifting of eyes the sweating or twiching*
ha ha ha |
Its easy clinging to your moral high ground when you have everything, try it when you have nothing left.
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 21 Dec 2004 09:58 AM |
| Yeah... Its caused problems a couple of times in the past when people have attacked Stan. I think someone suggested changing him from invunerable to something else that can't be killed, but also would not attack? *Shrugs* |
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Re: Invincible NPC'c
Posted: 21 Dec 2004 11:58 AM |
| I recall something similar happening to myself, which in fact may be the same instance with Jand. A few of those spectres wandered into the main lobby of the Inn when I was conversing with Stan. Being rather unequipped at the time, I hastily decided to charge the area with positive energy (aka Turn Undead). That was a mistake. The spectres went out like a light, while Fat Stan turned into an unstoppable free-wheeling death machine. |
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