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Character Clean up?
Posted: 18 Jan 2004 09:48 AM |
Hope that title didnt scare anyone... Just wondered if the server vault was ever cleaned out and unused characters removed?
I have a character saved on there im not using so was just wondering if that was an issue or not. |
Current Characters - Worik the Wanderer, Joda Zod, and Kango.
"Why do you wear that stupid bunny suit?" |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 18 Jan 2004 10:03 AM |
Hope that title didnt scare anyone... Just wondered if the server vault was ever cleaned out and unused characters removed?
I have a character saved on there im not using so was just wondering if that was an issue or not.
Nope. Character cleanup would involve also removing all historical infromation about your character in the database, and I've not built anything to do this (yet). Also, disk space is cheap :)
-Q |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 18 Jan 2004 07:44 PM |
It has been discussed and we will commence a character wipe of all characters used by the current playerbase on Friday, Janurary 23rd. Options for some characters to be NPC's will be apparent, otherwise it will be a fresh start for everyone.
~Fenarisk |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 18 Jan 2004 07:56 PM |
So it is for real a char wipe? All players starting from zero, no items, no XP no nothing.
I thought this had been discussed and the decision was no. But well No problem to me as far as Im concerned. |
Why search around when the answer is within you...?
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 18 Jan 2004 07:59 PM |
| I think Fen's just pulling your leg. |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 18 Jan 2004 08:01 PM |
dang I wanted to scare more people .
~Fenarisk |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 01:44 AM |
I dunno...
It would be kind of a "great equalizer". It might be fun to experience the results. Just imagine what it would be like with everyone running around with 1st level characters again.
PS: Oh yes, I can hear the groans and screams of the high level characters now... :) |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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And makes the world taste good."
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 02:30 AM |
It'll probably never happen. But I for one would love it to happen. What with revamping items, item drops, and the XP overall, it would make people equal. As it sounds now things are not equal, such as people from earlier that got crafting XP when it was super high. And in reality that's a LOT of character/players that got that edge that the new people don't.
Then again the players with high characters could just start new characters and all too. The downsides of a wipe are those who actively participate to further the community fun, like PAJWT. Where would we be without Pick and Jess to guide us all about the lands .
~Fenarisk |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 03:36 PM |
Where would we be without Pick and Jess to guide us all about the lands.
Someplace other than the infirmary? :P. |
Question Authority! |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 04:34 PM |
A) I would love to see a character wipe.
B) I would hate to listen to the #*%@$ing of high level characters.
C) I would love to see a character wipe.
If any of you get pissed at me for saying this, I just woke up five minutes ago, so I get sleepiness immunity :) |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 04:51 PM |
Must
Not
Kill
Fenarisk...
And I've only got a lvl 10 on the server.
*laugh*
Maybe if the place was filled with lvl 20s running around PKing randomly it would make good sense from a player perspective. Since this isn't the case, this idea must be one of those good ideas from a management perspective. Any player that wants to start over again at level 1 just needs to hit new...
Mike |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 04:59 PM |
I'd have to agree. I don't like character wipes, indeed I find them distasteful. I put a lot of effort into characters, and to have them all taken away because of -any- reason beyond the occasional IC perma death annoys the hell out of me.
Somewhat oddly, I make an exception if the character is made an NPC before they are taken from my control. The time put into them isn't wasted, they've just moved on from being my PC.
-Barnas |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 05:32 PM |
My feelings on this for Vives:
If you are for a character wipe, make a new login name and you'll have a nice empty character list from which you can start a new character from scratch.
If you are against it. Thats cool, 'cause I dont see the point of a character wipe unless we are moving the time frame of the world forward by several hundred years, long enough to kill off even the youngest of those skinny a$ elves.
It would sure be a lot of explaining for all the adventurers of the world to suddenly have died while all the NPC's are still exactly the same. |
~Alosynth
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 19 Jan 2004 05:35 PM |
| Move timeframe up a thousand years, and all the NPCs are inbreeds, so they decided to have the same names. :D |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 03:53 AM |
| i would like to see a wipe if not but to just equal out the playerbase. of course in a few months it would be out of whack again. if there was a char wipe then there would be a butt load more rp and more reasonable group partys. as it stands now it can take a while to find sombody of equal lvl to travel with, and when you do there prolly allready with a ubergroup. considering there is no real way to travel alone, many times uberpartys are the only option. traveling with a uberparty may be the key to fast exp but it pretty effectively kills you ability to get exp later on. even without the massive exp from crafting that existed in the past, it still is not very hard to get exp. the playerbase will quickly find its balance once again. |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 04:47 AM |
The inherent fact here is that people who spend a lot of time on one character achieve high levels.
This leads, therefore, to older players having higher level characters.
Thus, a new player will tend to find that the stable playerbase (The people on for 3+ hours a day) are likely to be higher levels than them.
This isn't so much of a problem on Vives, because there are -lots- of lower levels about. And Vives has done excelently (Both mechanics wise and via DM interaction) in terms of meaning that high and low levels can group.
Therefore, the level gap is not so much of a "problem" as it could be on other worlds. Also to be noted is that it would reappear within a month of a SV wipe... so what would be the point?
SV wipes also discourage people from joining servers. It's true. Who wants to put effort into RPing and developing a character who just gets wiped from the vault?
Another con is that it would not -nothing- to improve RP. Sorry, but it wouldn't. You can RP just as well with a lvl 20 at lvl 1 as you can with another lvl 1. So from the point of view of RP, I don't see the point of one.
I'm leant against even the notion of an SV wipe. The fact is, having put hundreds of hours into developing characters here, having them taken away with the click of a button rather than RP makes me want to intelectually vomit.
-Barnas |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 05:26 AM |
whoah, whoah everyone.
First, it started as a joke.
Second, it was considered as a "thought" experiment. That's all, only a though experiment. It would be interesting, and then the levels would start to diverge pretty quickly. It might be interesting to watch just to see what happens.
It is not a serious suggestion. Does anyone really want this? I don't. I like the varied levels of characters to be found (thanks for all the help Dias!).
The combination of roleplaying effort, the restricted experience progression, and death penalties really prevent level inflation that you would find on other servers. It makes the server more interesting to play on, and makes the high level achievements that much more exciting and special. And, as Barnas points out, the level differences have not really been a problem.
There is not going to be a character wipe, and it is not a serious suggestion
- Paul
PS: Now imagine if we did the following - back up the characters in the server vault - start the world over again and replace the characters at the end of the month...
*runs and ducks* |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 05:38 AM |
I know that there isn't going to be one...
....But that doesn't make the debate any less interesting! =P
-Barnas |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 06:03 AM |
"Another con is that it would not -nothing- to improve RP. Sorry, but it wouldn't. You can RP just as well with a lvl 20 at lvl 1 as you can with another lvl 1. So from the point of view of RP, I don't see the point of one."
ok this may sound like sarcasm but it is not my intention. you realy dont think, honestly now that if every player on the server absolutly had to not just suggested to but had to work together at all times to survive that it would do nothing for rp. |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 08:09 AM |
ok this may sound like sarcasm but it is not my intention. you realy dont think, honestly now that if every player on the server absolutly had to not just suggested to but had to work together at all times to survive that it would do nothing for rp.
You already have to work together with other players to survive and achieve goals. I don't see why a server vault wipe would ever assist in this.
Yes, there are high levels. But they are not NPCs who help you no matter what. To get involved in one of the "uber" parties that you mention, you have to be on good terms with all PCs in the party, or have a common enemy. Precisly like if you are all level 1.
And these "uber" parties do -not- form the majority of partying, in my experience. Parties tend to have a level range, but it makes no difference to the RP involved. A CN Rogue will still grate on a Paladin, and the RP will be the same, whether the Paladin and Rogue are level 1, the Paladin is 20 and the Rogue 1, the Rogue 20 and the Paladin 1, or both are level 20. Therefore, the RP doesn't get affected by the levels.
If the only point of playing was to team up and kill stuff, I might agree with you on that point. However, it is not the whole point. Most of my RP on the server, and indeed a good many other players RP (I would imagine) does not stem from combat. Thus it is level moot, and a server vault wipe would not help with it. In fact, I would go so far as to say it would harm it as everyone would have to create new characters, new realtionships...
-Barnas |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 11:41 AM |
*nods* I think a server wipe would actually do more to kill alot of RP than improve it. With me, it takes a good 20 or 30 hours playing my character to really hit the groove of who they are and how they react to stuff. I think thats the same with alot of people here, and to suddenly force everyone to make new characters means tonnes of people awkwardly trying to figure out how to play their character.
I also get alot of my characters figured out by interacting with characters that have already established themselves, another thing that would be gone with a character wipe. |
~Alosynth
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 06:48 PM |
i dont exactly like the thought of losing my character either. my point is that if a wipe did happen then everybody would have to work together to get anything done at all. it wouldnt even be a choice you would have to travel with those ten other first lvl chars to get anywhere. i dont think ten people traveling together that are depending on each other for life, will hurt rp.
and i think traveling with a group that is at least five levels more then you are is a uber party.
anyway its just a topic on a board, so its just a opinion |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 07:50 PM |
This is something which will come again and again I think.
Lets suppose there is a wipe. All the players make new characters, they level off at approximately the same time. What do you get: a large base of equally leveled characters. Great!
Then there comes a whole new batch of people who join Vives. What do they see? Hey everyone is level 12 (just to give a number). Of course the newbies could form groups on their own, but often due to timezones (etc.) it won't happen and they'll be 'stuck' with the higher level characters.
Personally I feel that a spreading of the levels as it is now is good for diversity as well. And to me diversity means an improvement of roleplay.
I agree with Alosynth's remarks. It is very much the same for me. Although I have a certain concept of a character and persona in mind, it's through interaction with other characters and DM controlled persons (monsters, gods, whatever) that a character gets truly established. I've invested a whole lot of hours into my character, a wipe would destroy all that.
About that uber party statement: in my humble opinion that is metagaming. I solo'd Dias until level 5 or 6 and then I joined parties of people who were generally 4 or more levels higher than him. Yes he got less xp for fighting, he actually got 1 xp for killing a hydra! And that was because the other players were much higher level than him (he still only gets 1 xp btw for those). Is that a bad thing? It wasn't to me, for the higher level players kept my character alive. And we had great rp moments. So I couldn't care less about getting 100 or 1 xp for a certain monster or baddie. |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 08:06 PM |
| Actually I kind of like the idea of a char, wipe. A lot of the XP the higher levels have is due to the growing of Vives. Face it, there where a lot of bugs in crafting etc. If the world is pretty much the way its going to be then I say we ALL start anew! |
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Re: Character Clean up?
Posted: 20 Jan 2004 08:14 PM |
Yea starting anew is not a big deal to me either. At first the newbie areas will be crowded but level differences will soon appear as some players play much more then others. Everyone will have a fairer playing field as places like Midor Bric-a-Brac are no longer availible.
Also a massive advertising blitz occuring at the same time as a wipe could net many new players because there will be a ton of players that are around the same level for them to adventure with.
Either way, it does not really matter to me. I don't get all that attached to my characters. |
I do what the voices in my head tell me too. |
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