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Elven & Other Languages
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 09:48 PM |
I said this before, and I saw others saying it too, but I want more people to see it. Just how many elven PCs are there right now, compared to the other races? It seems like every other PC is an elf these days. Where are the gnomes and the dwarves? Why are elves so overpopular? Seems like at least half the players logged at any given moment (or at least, very often!) are playing elves. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but nyah!
What bothers me is that many elves feel it necessary and compelling to speak Elven all the time. Personally I think it's rude both IC and OOC, especially when it's done in a large group, as many people simply don't know what you're saying. It gets pretty aggravating. Please, just cut back a bit on not speaking Common, for the sake of all those non-elf PCs out there who don't like being left out. If you want to have a private conversation, step back from the group a little bit. But if there is no real IC reason to dump Common for the sake of any other language, please don't.
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On another note, the tension between elves and non-elves seems to be rising... *Foreshadowing* |
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Re: Elves FTW!
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 10:01 PM |
Well, Elves are just so danged cool. ;P
Really, Elves are supposed to be an exclusive people; they don't mate very often (typically, outside of Vives), they tend to stick to forests and such (non-Vives example), and dislike associating with anyone they consider inferior (Vives? Probably not.).
It's very odd that there are so many Elves running around being...Well, inferior; but I'm just talking to a wall here.
And, actually, I've seen quite a bit more Human characters than Elves. Well, that are online at any given time. Except when it's only Sorrow_maker, Shadow-Gamer, Demogran and I. Then it's an Elves-only party.
As for speaking Elven, well, it's similar to whispering. It's exactly the same, in fact, except that other, non-Elven PC's have no chance to comprehend; hence the frustration. If words are exchanged in Elven, it's either because others aren't meant to be understood, or because two characters are getting back to their roots a bit.
Can you blame them, with all the short-lived humans flying around these days?
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 10:03 PM |
On another note, the tension between elves and non-elves seems to be rising... *Foreshadowing*
You mean the tensions were ever down? |
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Repopulate the elven homeland
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 10:18 PM |
Really, Elves are supposed to be an exclusive people; they don't mate very often (typically, outside of Vives), they tend to stick to forests and such (non-Vives example), and dislike associating with anyone they consider inferior (Vives? Probably not.).
Then they should stay in Ferein.
i do not mind all the elfies running about. But I wonder where they are when I go to Ferein. Zube has spent much time meditating in Ferein's gardens... alone. Elvalia is the only elf she's ever had a chance to RP with there.
I would really like it if Ferein became more lively. |
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Re: Repopulate the elven homeland
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 10:49 PM |
| Just talk with such a thick accent they can't hope to understand you ;) |
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Re: Repopulate the elven homeland
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 10:55 PM |
Had a hard time decoding Astrid's mumble? :)
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Re: Repopulate the elven homeland
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 11:27 PM |
Never played an elf. Probably never will. But I do have to agree that if there's one area that could use a bit of life injected into it, it's probably Ferein. Never go there except that one time to get the exploration XP. No one's ever there, and there's little to do unless you step outside it's immediate borders, and that means certain death for my characters. It just seems like this shouldn't be the case for all the time and effort put into it, and all the scenery.
As for the language issue, I'll stay out of it other than to acknowledge that I feel both sides have strong points. |
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Re: Repopulate the elven homeland
Posted: 07 Aug 2006 11:51 PM |
My main PC HATES elves! with a passion.
and part of it.. just a little piece to a much much larger puzzle.. is because they think they are so superior. and the going around talking in their own language around the "lesser beings" is like a big "you are not worth our acknowledgement, maggot"
that being said, I also have an elf PC.
and I'll talk in elven when I feel like it... and if there are others around who cant understand it.. well, I guess it's their fault for being so.. inferior.
;P
I DO understand what you are getting at Axon... but really, I try to do EVERYTHING in character.
and I think most of the other players here do too.. or at least, we can only hope so.
If I'm talking in elven around you, and you can't understand it... it's because it's IC for me to do so.
I think what your statement should -really- be, is "please stay IC at all times".
cause if you are acting in a way that your character wouldn't... what's the point? |
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Re: Travel to the Elven homeland!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 12:53 AM |
Really, Elves are supposed to be an exclusive people; they don't mate very often (typically, outside of Vives), they tend to stick to forests and such (non-Vives example), and dislike associating with anyone they consider inferior (Vives? Probably not.).
Then they should stay in Ferein.
No opportunity to bump into a non-Elf in Ferein. The last time I remember taking note of a non-Elven character in the homeland was...A week ago, I think. And I'm not able to get on that time of day, so...
Plus there's very little to do in the area for my characters: my most resent foray outside the immediate Ferein area set me back more than a thousand experience points. That was partially offset by the exploration experience I got by wandering around the Great River area; but all wasted on the return trip.
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Re: Travel to the Elven homeland!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 01:48 AM |
I partially get where you are coming from. And thats why all the elves should stay in Ferein. IF they did there would be more RP going on there.
This gives me an idea for Vives 2-
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Re: Travel to the Elven homeland!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 01:50 AM |
I went through Ferein with Karli, in the hopes of being able to grace them with the priviledge of hearing her perform. Alas, there was no one there but a few NPC's . Why does no one go to Ferein? Because there's nothing to do there.
I don't get the high numbe rof *half* elves, personally. Or even partial elves. There ought to be a dice roll for folks who want to play half elves on PW servers. Roll a d200. If you roll a 200, you get to be a half elf. Not fun, but seriously, having that many racial bonuses ought to come once in a blue moon. |
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 02:42 AM |
Sometimes players just don't want other players/characters to hear what they are saying, so they speak in Elven.
Then again, sometimes just to make other people less bored, people also talk in Party chat. So, I suppose people can sometimes speak in: *Elven.* instead of: /dm []
But that's really up to the players.
As for Ferein, well... players are here to play, and most characters can be found outside Ferein, and consider this; an Elf logs to the server, and most people are in Port or Buckshire. Will he go to Ferein?
Let's say there's even another Elf amongst those in Port/Buckshire. Will he go to him "Let's go to Ferein.", or stay and RP with the group?
I say, the only chance of seeing people there is if you plan OOC on meeting there. Every server has its popular places, and sometimes those places aren't the place you'd hope to be popular. |
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 07:18 AM |
Elves FTL
Whatever else they are, Elves are not and never will be faster than light.
Seriously though, I don't have time to comment at the moment on the issues raised here but you can be sure that I will as soon as I am able. |
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 07:59 AM |
If elves are such an exclusive folk who separate themselves from the lessers, they should absolutely stay in Ferein. It's definitely a large enough place for them all. When there are so many elves currently, but most hang out with the inferior races in Port/Buckshire, it doesn't work. Don't hang out in Port/Buckshire. It's the IC thing to do. It's weird that my human goes to Ferein more than many elves.
As for the language issue (and of course, this goes to every other language that isn't Common; Elven though is spoken the most these days), as I said, it's OK if there is a real IC reason, but if there is no real justification for it, please don't. The difference between Elven and whispers is that with whispers you step away from the group to have a private word with someone, but when it comes to Elven, they don't bother. This is what really annoys me. If your character wants to have a private conversation with another elf, step away from the group a little bit. Or better yet - have that private coversation in Ferein.
Again, it's OK if it's IC to switch to Elven, but just keep in mind that you're simply leaving many other players left out. Personally, I think that if an elf feels the lessers aren't worthy enough to understand elves and comprehend their fair language, that elf wouldn't even join a group of non-elves in the first place.
FTL means For The Lose, btw. Like, y'know, FTW, only not. ^^ |
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 08:17 AM |
FTL means For The Lose, btw. Like, y'know, FTW, only not. ^^
I'm quite aware of that, but I'm one of those people who prefers to communicate in terms everyone can understand. You might find it strange but there are still quite a few people around like that.
Anyway, joking aside - and it was meant jokingly - I will comment in full on all the issues raised in this thread later. |
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 09:53 AM |
If elves are such an exclusive folk who separate themselves from the lessers, they should absolutely stay in Ferein. It's definitely a large enough place for them all. When there are so many elves currently, but most hang out with the inferior races in Port/Buckshire, it doesn't work. Don't hang out in Port/Buckshire. It's the IC thing to do. It's weird that my human goes to Ferein more than many elves.
As for the language issue (and of course, this goes to every other language that isn't Common; Elven though is spoken the most these days), as I said, it's OK if there is a real IC reason, but if there is no real justification for it, please don't. The difference between Elven and whispers is that with whispers you step away from the group to have a private word with someone, but when it comes to Elven, they don't bother. This is what really annoys me. If your character wants to have a private conversation with another elf, step away from the group a little bit. Or better yet - have that private coversation in Ferein.
Again, it's OK if it's IC to switch to Elven, but just keep in mind that you're simply leaving many other players left out. Personally, I think that if an elf feels the lessers aren't worthy enough to understand elves and comprehend their fair language, that elf wouldn't even join a group of non-elves in the first place.
Great idea. Let's all the Elves go to Ferein and...Miss out on much of the Roleplay! Heck, why do we need those others for, anyway? All of us can repeatedly go to places like Asashi (not too much though; it's not Ferein!) and the Mystic Woods! And, maybe; if enough people have died; we can go on to the Great River! We can't stay long, because -it's not Ferein!- Sound good? Then let's do that!
Nevermind the Halflings, Dwarves, and Half-Orcs aren't being messed with, either! We're too good for that. Silly humans and their prejudices.
I've never seen Elven spoken in a non-justified way. Private matters can be spoken in different languages and be considered just as rude as dragging someone off to have a whispered conversation with. Or, maybe I'm just not as sensitive to this as some others. I dunno; but I'd find it a lot more offensive if I was having an open conversation between friends when two of them walked off to start talking; leaving me with two less people to confide in. Very rude, indeed! I'll just go to boring, PC-less Ferein and fume for a bit; I will!
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 10:20 AM |
*pokes Ranger* ...will there ever be enough time for a proper and thorough response to all of this?
Ferein is gorgeous, and should be visited by everyone more often. Vrodo used to poach wood there to make bows in Laetoni Forest. Nevermind who he poached it from...
The best opportunity to visit Ferein used to come from throwing yourselves en masse at the trolls in Gladden Hills. That and the faboo adventures that were launched from Ferein by the Ferein-enthusiasts among Vives' DM team.
Racial languages... I don't mind that there is currently a gang of elves on the server who keep each other company. I like it when elves keep each other company! And I just can't get bend out of shape about missing some dialog IC. It is not rude in an OOC sense; it might be a crutch that helps to roleplay an elf, but it is not rude. When I need to know what's been said, I'll be told in common. The elven tongue is a part of their mystique.
I think everything probably sounds sexy in elven. I don't mind saying it. They know they're sexy.
Last thought: I bet elves all speak common in Ferein when nobody is around. |
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 10:31 AM |
Yes, as I said earlier.
I am at work now (and people keep unreasonably distracting my attention) but I do intend to - and will - post once I get home, and have eaten (my daily human). |
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 10:45 AM |
Wait a sec.... Nevermind who he poached it from...
So THAT's where it went.
Hmm |
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 10:55 AM |
The elven tongue is a part of their mystique.
dang right.
I think everything probably sounds sexy in elven. I don't mind saying it. They know they're sexy.
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 12:50 PM |
Nevermind the Halflings, Dwarves, and Half-Orcs aren't being messed with, either! We're too good for that. Silly humans and their prejudices.
*Ophelia raises her hand*
I think everything probably sounds sexy in elven. I don't mind saying it. They know they're sexy.
And to quote Robber.."it sounds like cats fighting"..anything but sexy. |
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 01:19 PM |
I have to second that...
Half-0rcs are routinely messed with. They are called slaves. Spat upon etc....
Halflings are rarely respected, and almost never trusted.
And everyone expects a dwarf to have a drinking problem.
This sense that only elves have a social stigma to overcome is severely misplaced. And when you consider how hostile the Tarikian and Atalan Elves are (without even mentioning the universal haughty nature of all elves) ... you better believe elves have a lot to live down. |
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 03:31 PM |
Again, it's OK if it's IC to switch to Elven, but just keep in mind that you're simply leaving many other players left out. Personally, I think that if an elf feels the lessers aren't worthy enough to understand elves and comprehend their fair language, that elf wouldn't even join a group of non-elves in the first place.
first of all.. there ARE lots of Elves who stay in Ferein.. and would never dream of getting near those dirty 'lesser' races. But there are a very small percentage who are extraordinary, and venture outside of Ferein for... whatever reason, [insert pathos/neurossis/compulsion/duties/orders/divine calling/whatever] the ones that WE play, do not stay in Ferein.
Because, who wants to play a regular, run of the mill, normal elf? it would be like playing a regular, run of the mill, normal human... you could log in to plow your field, milk the cows, do some other chores, and log off.
does that sound like fun to you?
neither does playing a normal elf.
As for the language thing... I think that is something you are just going to have to get over, Axon. It's going to continue... and 99% of the time (again, I hope no one is doing it for OOC reasons, but that IS a possibility) it is IC for them to do so.
if that annoys you OOC. well, sorry... but, suck it up.
if that annoys your PC IC, then have them react to it in an IC way.
and that's all I have to say about that. |
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Re: Elves FTL!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 03:35 PM |
suck it up
HAhaHAhahahaHAhAHAhahahahhAHAhahahhaAhahahaha...
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Re: Elves Poon Joo..!
Posted: 08 Aug 2006 03:44 PM |
I have also noticed a preponderance of elves on the server, particularly amongst a particular clique of noobs.... yes, they speak in elven a lot.
I don't think it's an IG issue. I think it's more of a lot of players coming on to a server and hanging together and not mixing in like individuals who come to a server alone do... but in the end, it's still more folks coming on the server and making their home here. Isn't that what we all want? I figure eventually either I will get to know them or they will lose interest and move on, but until then it doesn't hurt my feelings if they want to hang out and speak in Elven together... I speak to fellow Coruscanti in Old Midoran sometimes, but that doesn't mean I'm antisocial.
I say play your game, and let the other stuff sort itself out. If it's important, you'll hear about it. If it bugs your character, settle it IG.
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