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True Sight
Posted: 17 Apr 2008 03:32 PM |
| .... I'm not looking to restart the debate here, just have a question on how it works in NWN2. The manual says trueseeing enables caster to through ethereal and invisibility effects. Which is the same description for the first game (Sanctuary instead of ethereal anyway). So does anyone know if this effects stealth as well? |
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Re: True Sight
Posted: 18 Apr 2008 12:46 PM |
Assuming it is true to 3.5 (which it says on the box it is). No. *Checks 3.5 Players Handbook just to be sure.*
I quote.
You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as the actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact location of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things...
...True seeing, however does not penetrate solid objects. It in no way confers X-ray vision or its equivalent. It does not negate concealment, including that caused by fog and the like. True seeing does not hep the viewer see through mundane disguises, spot creatures who are simply hiding, or notice hidden doors by mundane means...
Of course the way to find out for sure would be to create a wisdom 1 creature with true seeing but no ranks in spot or listen (using the editor) and try to sneak past it with a level 5 rogue or the like. |
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Re: True Sight
Posted: 04 Jun 2008 01:18 PM |
mechanically, true seeing in nwn allows you to see stealthed characters.
this is *wrong* as it should not allow you to see stealthed characters.
The best thing to do in that situation is ask the PC via tell if they are invisible/ethereal/sanctuaried or stealthed. If they are the former, you can *see* them. If it is the latter, then you cannot *see* them.
Because the mechanics of the engine cannot be changed, this is the way it has to be handled.
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Re: True Sight
Posted: 04 Jun 2008 04:13 PM |
| So its still like that with NWN 2 then? *shrugs* Can't get everything you want I suppose. |
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Re: True Sight
Posted: 04 Jun 2008 06:52 PM |
| To be on the fair side, stealth shouldn't work like it does in NWN either, so it all evens out. But this is really an age-old debate preceding even the second greatest question of the chicken and the egg (everyone knows Heck came first). |
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Re: True Sight
Posted: 05 Jun 2008 05:52 AM |
I don't think there is much point trying to act as though true seeing works as in PnP. As soon as true seeing got used in combat, or some situation involving an NPC this would become impractical. Probably better just to accept the rules as they are.
I usually find that spell casters expose themselves to a lot of sneak-attacks-of-opportunity anyway thanks to the lack of a five foot step, so I don't think they really need weakening. On the other hand they tend to reduce mele specialists without sneak attack to a small pile of ash. It's like paper scissors and stone.
Disclaimer: I'm not sure my experience is representative of the game mechanics. I haven't done the calculations. |
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