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Forums  > General  > General  > Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking     Display using: Flat View Threaded View   Oldest to newest Newest to oldest Previous Thread :: Next Thread   Author  Thread: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking  Applecorn Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Total Posts: 58 Send PM   Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 06:34 AM http://nwn.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=464150&forum=42  DiabloStan Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Total Posts: 653 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 07:25 AM I'm not sure that powergaming threads are "highly prized" in the consideration of the moderators. Still, it's an interesting bit of research that I had not seen before. - [Rob], Balthor, Jake, and Thomas.  Solitaire Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 2220 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 07:58 AM Some people are interested in the mechanics of the game and are still top class RPers, so it's fine (in my personal opinion) to post threads like this. - Solitaire, Wizard - Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth  time4bed Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 320 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 09:23 AM Very interesting for those of us who havnt the time or inclination to sus it out for themselves. And , if that constitutes powergaming then i quit. Does a fighter putting a +1 in his strength at levels 4,8 and 12 also constitute powergaming then.etc............. I think that this sort of information being available to everyone is what annoys people who already are powergamers and dont want the playing field leveling. Davewithasuddenurgetorantbloke If you catch a butterfly. You can either keep it and watch it die. Or let it go and watch it fly away.  Sirac Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 2510 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 09:37 AM Just as an addendum, as couldnt see it in that article. One thing I have heard many experienced players complain of is that monsters are hitting them, when they should be missing. For example, a players character sheet says AC 30 but monsters are hitting on a 28. This is NOT a bug. Most classes can be caught flat footed. That means they have been beaten on initiative, or attacked before they were ready for melee. And for most classes means you lose all dodge and dex bonuses to AC. This can -really- hurt a dex based character, some builds can lose 10+ pts of AC very easily through this. And is why the ability of dwarven defenders, rogues, barbs etc to not be caught flat footed can be very useful. Though even they can be caught out. One extra tip. In any NWN server, watch out for when people enter or leave the world. Cos this causes a universal action cancel, ie any actions you have queued disappear, and if in combat you will stop fighting until you initiate combat again. If slow to react to this can be absolutely lethal. Cheers, and HAPPY NEW YEAR all, Sirac 'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions.  ertzi Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Total Posts: 24 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 09:42 AM I agree with Time4Bed and Solitaire. I for myself try to know as much about the game mechanics as I can AND at the same time constantly strive to be a better RPer. I don't understand why weak build -> must be a better RPer. I want to make a good character in both RP and somewhat in build as well, but maybe that is a sin. Of course, if people ONLY powergame, that cannot be tolerated. But if they RP and happen to be effective as well, is that so bad? I will make my next character much weaker, but that's only because I think that one will be fun to RP. -> edit: just a small change, as Sirac was faster than me. Characters IG: Ertzi Cerno Rapidshill  Sirac Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 2510 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 09:45 AM I don't understand why weak build -> must be a better RPer. I want to make a good character in both RP and somewhat in build as well, but maybe that is a sin. Of course, if people ONLY powergame, that cannot be tolerated. But if they RP and happen to be effective as well, is that so bad? I will make my next character much weaker, but that's only because I think that one will be fun to RP. Couldn't agree more. Sirac 'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions.  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 11:53 AM note to players: no powerbuild will save you from Sirac's randoms acts of death, murder and general mayhem - ask Jessup - the powerbuild ballerina (or is that flowerbuild? :) Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  bennyhsrh Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 773 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 11:57 AM Uhhh..... characters have an ARMOUR CLASS?! Wow Elvalia - Chosen of Aros Elrith Mellin Perin - 'Cleric (an' drewid) o' Elbreff' Weddin's an' pies a speciarality  Tasra www.bgmod.com Joined: 17 Jun 2003 Total Posts: 1364 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 12:38 PM /me still doesn't see what's wrong with AC of 10 to -10 and THAC0  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 01:05 PM Uhhh..... characters have an ARMOUR CLASS?! Wow You sound like Veran. Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  Chief Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 549 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 01:24 PM note to players: no powerbuild will save you from Sirac's randoms acts of death, murder and general mayhem - ask Jessup - the powerbuild ballerina (or is that flowerbuild? :) *looks up from the gutters of the Port with knife still in back* Bah! ONWARD AND UPWARD!  time4bed Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 320 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 31 Dec 2005 07:39 PM Uhhh..... characters have an ARMOUR CLASS?! Wow You sound like Veran. yes Veran where are you ! just so we can put the AC thing to bed (dificult without your input) (just incase anyone isnt aware who Veran is... he is in fact Data off of nextgen he knows more about your pc's than you do more about the game mechanics than the developers ever did .. and yes i fear .....he probably knows where you live , what you do and why you have dificulty making friends.) However he's our Veran and we love him for it If you catch a butterfly. You can either keep it and watch it die. Or let it go and watch it fly away.  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 01 Jan 2006 01:12 AM You've forgotten to mention that his characters seldom have an ac of over...uh..6. *waves to Chief as he steps over the body* Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  WickedArtist Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Total Posts: 435 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 01 Jan 2006 01:26 AM You've forgotten to mention that his characters seldom have an ac of over...uh..6. *waves to Chief as he steps over the body* Don't you mean Constitution? WickedArtist: I think he needs a proper elf. WickedArtist: A christmas elf! Tasra: Any sort of elf that actually smiles ;o Gasp! Scandalous!!!  Glor-an-Fhaidha Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Total Posts: 317 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 01 Jan 2006 04:46 AM You've forgotten to mention that his characters seldom have an ac of over...uh..6. *waves to Chief as he steps over the body* Don't you mean Constitution? Yes, your mixing it all up. They seem to often have far to much AC for their own good.. But then will die if love tapped due to the lack of any sort of Constituation.  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 01 Jan 2006 05:02 AM No, no. I can attest to the fact his characters have no AC either. Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  DiabloStan Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Total Posts: 653 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 01 Jan 2006 07:19 PM Why need AC when you can cut something down before it can touch you? His one character has a pretty good AC. Just sayin'. - [Rob], Balthor, Jake, and Thomas.  Veran Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 718 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 03 Jan 2006 03:09 AM Can we have one build discussion without resorting to teasing innocent and innovative individuals? The Legacy Saga  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 03 Jan 2006 03:29 AM wait, wait.... *rolls d20 to avoid hitting this subject* a 1! You still HIT! :) [moderators note: do that again Paul, and I'm deleting your posts - back on topic for a change. Bully. Pick on someone with an AC next time] Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.  Veran Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 718 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 03 Jan 2006 03:40 AM Nah, I'm not hurt, I've been made fun of for my various forms of character fraility on the forums of like 6 different PW's, I'm definitely over-it. And of course, knowing that most of my characters can push around most characters of a much higher level.... *wicked grin* </brag> It's a good post too, finally, I can point someone to this thread, instead of trying to explain it in game, gently, and having all the Dm's blame me for powergamer influx. There are a few things I'm considering adding to this post, however, like the specifics on the dodge feat, attacks of oppurtunity, flat-footed etc etc. The Legacy Saga  bennyhsrh Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 773 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 03 Jan 2006 03:51 AM *is still surprised to hear there is such a thing as AC* Elvalia - Chosen of Aros Elrith Mellin Perin - 'Cleric (an' drewid) o' Elbreff' Weddin's an' pies a speciarality  pdwalker Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 5692 Send PM   Re: Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking Posted: 03 Jan 2006 04:24 AM There are a few things I'm considering adding to this post, however, like the specifics on the dodge feat, attacks of oppurtunity, flat-footed etc etc. Post the link when you are done. - Paul Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly. -- "...Cause he mixes it with love And makes the world taste good." -- <@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu. Previous Thread :: Next Thread  Page 1 of 1   Forums  > General  > General  > Terra's Guide to Armor Class and Stacking