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Forums  > General  > WishList  > Lawful quests and tasks     Display using: Flat View Threaded View   Oldest to newest Newest to oldest Previous Thread :: Next Thread   Author  Thread: Lawful quests and tasks  budurahm Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 21 Send PM   Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 20 Mar 2004 09:48 PM I posted in the wrong forum earlier, but I would like to see Lawful Quests and Tasks that award +law alignment shifts, even if it's just +1 each for 1 time tasks/quests.  Alosynth Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 1324 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 20 Mar 2004 10:13 PM As well, we do not want to see the ability for someone to wash, rinse, repeat some quest to become lawful. It is a purposefully difficult alignment to keep. If you are becoming to chaotic, either in danger of loosing your paladinhood/monkhood, or already lost said hoodness, you can let the DM's know, and they may keep an eye out for lawful behaviour that can be rewarded with a positive alignment shift, if they see it. ~Alosynth Above is a repeatition of my response on the previous thread ~Alosynth  Rutger_13 Joined: 15 Oct 2003 Total Posts: 108 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 20 Mar 2004 11:47 PM But you can wash, rinse and repeat to become good. Somehow, repeating your response does not make it any more reasonable. Rutger_13 --------------------------------------- Not all who wander are lost  Alosynth Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 1324 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 12:09 AM meh.. Copy/pasting the same answer to the same topic seemed easier than composing a new one ~Alosynth  Rasputin Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 213 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 01:16 AM This one must humbly agree with lady Callia. If it is possible to get back goodness, why should it not also (even very slowly) be possible to get back lawfullness? Either that or make it not possible to get back either. Seems only fair. Humbly Submitted, Sinjin Kane  Aesir Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 252 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 11:53 AM To Alosynth, a question, or at least something to consider... Perhaps if the DMs can get involved post-loss of status, then they should be involved in alignment rewards/penalties as part of day to day DMing responsibilities. A Lawful char starts with 85 points - but has no opportunity that I can see that would allow him/her/it to move up from there - to the limit of 100 points. -æsir "The man that finds himself at a crossroads, and unsure of direction, is not lost. For in truth, all roads will carry him to the same destination - his fate. But it is the determined man that takes the next step." -Aren  Kandaelis Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 170 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 12:37 PM But you can wash, rinse and repeat to become good.. Exactly. Which dosent make sense to me. How about both or neither? Right now, I feel that Alo's argument dosent have legs to stand on, unless the "Good/Evil repair tool" goes away. I dont understand why the Good/Evil pole and the Law/Chaos pole are being segregated like this... Edit: its not that it bothers me mind you, it just dosent make sense to me. Three sisters, born of the Sea A sad fate t'was in store for thee Oh Vaisha, Vahlah and Vallaesha  Rutger_13 Joined: 15 Oct 2003 Total Posts: 108 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 12:45 PM But it certainly bothers me in that I am halfway to unmonkfulness and see no way to redress it. I have been playing so lawful I even teach new players to close DOORS after themselves in the crypts so the undead can't wander the halls and ambush future travelers, but I still haven't seen any law points come around knocking on my door . . . Rutger_13 --------------------------------------- Not all who wander are lost  Aesir Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 252 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 01:34 PM It's a problem with no clear solution, so maybe we break it up into smaller problems. 1) The alignment chart is one chart, not two separate ones. I think we would all agree that it's currently handled inconsistently, in that you can move up or down along the good v evil axis, but only down along the law v chaos. (agreed?) 2) We can agree that we don't want the penalties for alignment shift to be rendered meaningless. It's similar in that respect to how we want death handled... it should have a meaning - a price. So, the solution to alignment shift penalties should account for this. (agreed?). The immediate problem though is point 1. Short term solution is to make the handling of Law/Chaos shifts equate those of what's in place already for Good/Evil shifts. To address point 2, you need to know how you are going to handle *all* alignment shifts going forward. Until you address point 1, we have an inconsistent starting point that confuses the whole issue. -æsir "The man that finds himself at a crossroads, and unsure of direction, is not lost. For in truth, all roads will carry him to the same destination - his fate. But it is the determined man that takes the next step." -Aren  budurahm Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 21 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 04:20 PM I know this is not my server, not my mod, and all that but, can we have Law quests/tasks please.  Alosynth Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 1324 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 05:47 PM This one must humbly agree with lady Callia. If it is possible to get back goodness, why should it not also (even very slowly) be possible to get back lawfullness? Either that or make it not possible to get back either. Seems only fair. Your right, I had forgotten that was in there. I'll be sure to remove the repeat aspect of it shortly ~Alosynth  budurahm Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 21 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 08:09 PM that sounded oh so quietly as a 'nope you may not' ... bummer.  Klench B'Tok Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 27 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 08:45 PM The way I see it is that the characters that 'have' to be lawful are bound by strict codes/guidlines and should therefore endeavour to maintain that staus and as such I think its a shame that game mechanics have been brought into this discussion. Some of the best PnP RP scenarios that I've ever been in, involved the recovery of a fallen charcters status(or in some cases not). I don't see why this can't be done here, the DM's certainly seem capable enough to RP it well as do the players. So if you loose you're Monk/Paldin status why not contact a DM and arange a convenient time to RP your character's return to the fold. I personally think this would be much more rewarding than haveing a DM wave his wand and 'puff' you're lawful again. Or why not maintain you're fallen staus and travel down a new path... Just my £0.02 P.S sorry if this post rambled but I'm tired and need to sleep..... "The issue isn't wether you're paranoid, its wether you're paranoid enough..."  Alosynth Joined: 11 Apr 2003 Total Posts: 1324 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 21 Mar 2004 09:58 PM This one must humbly agree with lady Callia. If it is possible to get back goodness, why should it not also (even very slowly) be possible to get back lawfullness? Either that or make it not possible to get back either. Seems only fair. Your right, I had forgotten that was in there. I'll be sure to remove the repeat aspect of it shortly Done as of 1.96.. this is now one-shot ~Alosynth  Akril Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Total Posts: 1363 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 22 Mar 2004 07:18 AM My perspective. Alignment shifting is as a result of how your character is played. So, since NWN can only monitor your actions in a very confined manner, the DMs should rectify by awarding behavioural Alignment Shifts as well. I know at least one DM has done this. This should stop the "cleansing" aspect. I have to point out, surely if you dont want to be good, if you go about "muddying" your character up that is either just as good or bad as cleaning them. Alignment whether it is G - E or L - C, should be an aid not a rod, unless it is class specific. In which case, surely the solution should be that if you are having shift difficulties contact a DM and hopefully they can watch your behaviour for a bit. Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Akril Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring  Kandaelis Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 170 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 22 Mar 2004 11:48 AM DMs should rectify by awarding behavioural Alignment Shifts as well. I know at least one DM has done this. Vahlah received a DM alignment shift (Good) yesterday during some roleplay, so this is happening, and I am happy to see it. Perhaps there is hope for you Paladins and Monks out there who may be teetering over the abyss. Three sisters, born of the Sea A sad fate t'was in store for thee Oh Vaisha, Vahlah and Vallaesha  Rasputin Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 213 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 22 Mar 2004 01:41 PM OOC: Sinjin was posting out of a fairness perspective, he is happily Lawful Good =) Humbly Submitted, Sinjin Kane  Kandaelis Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 170 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 22 Mar 2004 01:44 PM Not pointing fingers here *grins* Three sisters, born of the Sea A sad fate t'was in store for thee Oh Vaisha, Vahlah and Vallaesha  Artinam Joined: 05 Mar 2004 Total Posts: 72 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 22 Mar 2004 01:53 PM I became Chaotic... Well...she really was beautiful....Why would that be Chaotic... Long Live the Fighters!  Aesir Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Total Posts: 252 Send PM   Re: Lawful quests and tasks Posted: 22 Mar 2004 05:33 PM Opening most boxes in Vives will shift you towards Chaos. -æsir "The man that finds himself at a crossroads, and unsure of direction, is not lost. For in truth, all roads will carry him to the same destination - his fate. But it is the determined man that takes the next step." -Aren Previous Thread :: Next Thread  Page 1 of 1   Forums  > General  > WishList  > Lawful quests and tasks