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DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 12:49 AM |
(this is all heavily ooc)
i was put in a tough position tonight, & Kree can probably second this. Daimon organized a party in an attempt to revive Balthor in Se'eth Tower. Naturally, along the way, one must pass centaurs.
The group, myself, Kree, Molo, Daimon, & Calia survived the cerntaurs well enough until a DM took control of the Centaur Lord (CL). we dropped our weapons & begain to negotiate passage. The CL pointed out that Kree had sworn to never enter those woods again. At some point, with everyone with weapons down, the DM let the full respawn happen & *boom* Calia & Kree were dead. Once again, we almost killed the Centaur Lord until the DM intervened.
Daimon argued greatly (& a lil hostilely) for the CL to summon his healers & revive our fallen comrades. The CL wouldnt budge. Korshuvar showed up (see the thread about the Weave) & tried to negotiate peace (2 DMs arguing IG...it was priceless). Eventually the Lord wandered away & one of his healers came up & offered to revive one of our fallen comrades. In order to do this, I had to swear an oath to never return to those woods again. After much pleading & cajoling, we talked the DM-controlled healer into reviving Calia (originally the healer would only revive Kree....only Calia can rez).
With Calia risen, she revived Kree & she, Daimon, & Molo sought to take the tower & revive Balthor. However, Kree & I could not continue, as we had sworn our oaths. We retreated to Buckshire.
In the ensuing period of time, I got to watch the health bars of my party memebers get depleted & eventually destroyed by the denziens of Se'eth Tower while I was in Buckshire. I couldn't shake the feeling that if I had been there, I could have helped. Maybe prevented some deaths. My char proceeded to get drunk in the Buckshire Inn. It was all he could do.
dang the DM who put my character in this position & dang this PW for being good enough that it made my character care. Good work to whoever was DMing tonight. Seriously, you had my disbelief so well suspended that I was sharing in my character's moral decisions (let alone the other earlier RPs, which were great in their own right) .
Cheers,
-Sai Barris |
Sai Barris, Scamp-at-Large
Cynda LeRange, Reporter, Port Royale
Parson Droim Raine, Preacha o da Word o Swiftfoot |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 03:13 AM |
I was quite genuinely upset about the whole thing... I have a really big issue with making people waste time because of me... (Which is why I am never going to level again.... just keep hitting that respawn) but I was very upset when the Dms let the spawn kill most of our party while we were in PARLEY....
Now....
I was also very upset that the DM controlling the Centaur lord Kept crashing, and I was unable to tell when he was on and when he was off... and what things I might have to repeat.... just because of the crashing..... at the same time, I was crashing as well... and there was a lot of lag in the whole thing....
Overall.... I spent about 6 hours today trying to get Balthor back to life... And despite the whole thing..... Multiple raisers, oathes.... mining.... Crash deaths... lag deaths.... and OOC spawn deaths..... I was rather disappointed in the whole thing.... I hate to point fingers, but that was the Worst DM intervention I've ever seen.... and since I've joined this server.. for 2 weeks... I've seen all the best ones.
And... noticing my repitition, I'll say it once more..... The whole thing! |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 05:34 AM |
Coupla points, questions:
-In response to Dms let the spawn kill most of our party while we were in PARLEY
1/ DMs don't control respawns. The best they can do is try and grab the whole lot and limbo them when it happens (Or RIP gem the whole lot, meaning the area's empty until the next reset)
2/ How did you know Balthor was there?
-Barnas |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 06:07 AM |
He was there when Balthor died?
Like, actually present? In the same room? That Balthor died in? At the time of his death? |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 06:25 AM |
And the First question..... about spawn control....
Yes, the DM showed signs of control during the second spawn.... when they individually grabbed every centaur as it appeared and put it in Limbo,..... maybe as a .... decisive action made concerning the results of the first spawn. *shrug*
Edit:
Or the dM crashed during the First spawn, and thus showed no response.... which is likely..... but I Greatly Frown on OOC death reasons... if the party members died DISCREETLY because the DM happened to crash when the spawn occured.... I like playing the "Bring you back to life and pretend we're still talking about stuff, and the attack never happened" game, instead of the "While in a ceasefire with our leader.... several Centaurs attacked you even though you waited for the Leader to call them off instead of drawing arms against them, and now have to pay the price for it" game.....
Yeah, that sounds kind of Juvinelle *grins* but I hope my point came acrossed
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The Legacy Saga |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 07:09 AM |
Was just wondering, Diablostan =P
Also, respawns -as far as I have always understood- are not OOC. Ther represent reinforcements, more creatures arriving... of course, they turn up in a weird way, but you can't complain that a respawn is OOC.
Bloody inconvenient, yes. Though Barnas himself thinks that the DM who was talking to you should -probably- have had you raised/raised you after you died due to you being talking to them. However, that's just my opinion. Ultimate fact is, if you go to dangerous places -DM or not- you risk death and associated penalty.
-Barnas |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 01:42 PM |
Barnas they did get the DM to raise Calia (as Sai said) and Calia was able to raise Kree.
Kree had been warned before (by the CL) not to return to those woods but was cajoled into going to help friends rescue another friend. Hat's off to the DM who utilized this and gave IG consenquences for her breaking that vow to the Centaurs. (she really won't ever go there again!)
Yes, crashes on the DM side and the player's side make situations like this one difficult, however it's something we all just kinda deal with. The ambush sucked and I thought everyone RPed it well, but let's remember every action has consequences and sometimes we're not gonna like the outcome. Just because a DM is around does NOT mean automatic raises and instant XP cookies, nor does it mean the PCs will always get their way, no matter how much they talk ;)
Kriayna |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 03:23 PM |
well here is my two cents
take away the lag and crashing, and you now have a CL who is sticking my his hooves, an elf who was ready to kill for his friend, a cleric who was begging at the feet of a CL for passage, a lady who did not want to be there, a two halfling rogues just trying to survive the whole ordeal. Negotiations happened for awhile, with the story getting very excited, and almost violent.
It was all a surprise to me (thanks to a DM) and it was all a thrill to me, but in the end, we got nothing more than a couple deaths and a story. For spending over two hours of RP to save some people, going against my word of oath like a good true neutral halfling rogue and chasing the gold after saving calia and kree, with complete involvement in all of the negotitaions, even to the point of wanting to strike the elf down right there before he got us all killed (sai and kree know, they speak right-sized), I got 0 experience for over two hours of RP involvement that involved everything I have spoke of.
Now I am not going to just cry over no exp on a server not based on powergaming, but I expect no exp for RP when I am on late and alone, or just hunting and seeing people. For something this big, involving as many people as it did, and the story alone, we all should have gotten a good reward for spending our saturday afternoon creating tales!
Just my two gold pieces
Molo..... |
So a cleric, a ranger, and a thief walk into a bar, which one am I?
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 03:26 PM |
You should never expect XP from any RP/DM interaction. That is assumed to be the norm, and you do not get XP from the norm. If you RP exceptionaly, DMs will give you XP. RP for the enjoyment, -not- for the XP.
This post is all IMHO.
-Barnas |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 03:32 PM |
| Barnas its not only your opinion =) RP should and must come cuz you enjoy it, not to get XP. |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 03:55 PM |
| That is the norm, but like I said, I feel it was roleplayed well, exceptionally well on the players side, and we all play to become great players. Thats why I spend my weekends on my cpu playing a little rogue guy in your world. To become great, rewards are what make a players day much better, and no we should not expect exp for our gameplay, but it would have been real nice to get some kind of reward, thats all I am saying. If I can get 6 exp for casting a heal spell with my cleric in three seconds, and none for Rping for 2 hours in a dm-intervened event, what kind of world is this, cause it doesn't seem to be setup as a Rp one. I believe that it should be based on RP, and nothing else, its setup to be with the languages and such, and no we should not expect exp for RP all the time, but if someone gives their day to an event, it is just my feeling that even the smallest reward is in order for them. Doesn't even have to be exp, a simple thanks or such could do. But I do understand your logic, so opinion taken Barnas, I just won't expect exp for getting involved on the server. |
So a cleric, a ranger, and a thief walk into a bar, which one am I?
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 14 Mar 2004 04:04 PM |
Take a look at the dirtnap list and look at the people on top. Most likely it's Loli (slink), Dias aka Xaranthir (me) and Fri'el (Barnas).
We're fairly highish level, but look at the number of hours. About 2/3rds or more of that time has been spent talking, walking, etc. This includes hundreds of hours of roleplay. We've been in DM quests where we have done nothing but talking for hours on end (no action whatsoever, only talk and emotes).
In my time here I roleplayed a lot. A lot was never seen by DMs but it's in my head. I have had some very memorable moments here. If something like a roleplay session leaves an impression months after it happened then I am very happy. I've been in several quests as well and nearly every single one of them has been great. Sometimes we got xp, sometimes we didn't.
We're here for our pleasure. We're here for roleplay. Yes it's nice when you get xp for roleplay but like Barnas said, never expect it. Roleplaying to get xp, is roleplaying for the wrong reasons. Roleplay to have fun! That is -why- we are here. :)
Ok enough rant from me again :P |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 15 Mar 2004 06:31 PM |
yeah, what he said.
no, seriously, the point of my original post was that it was good RP becasue it was insanely *frustrating*. I mean a game shouldn't make me this frustrated, but it did b/c it was well executed.
i still have some vague questions around the event. specifically a tell the DM sent me just before the ambush. it followed a comment i made to Molo in Halfling. i won't put what it was, just b/c tells are private, but if whoever DM'd the event would explain it to me, that would be great for explaining alot of what happened. it was kinda vague, as tells go & could be construed a number of ways.
as for getting XP...hmm...its one of those relative things. i have gotten XP for doing far less RPing, but i wasnt entirely surprised when i didnt receive any.
...& an OT side note....what was with the Guard rumor that a drow was seen near Midor? Don't you know these kind of things start panics? ^_^
-Sai Barris |
Sai Barris, Scamp-at-Large
Cynda LeRange, Reporter, Port Royale
Parson Droim Raine, Preacha o da Word o Swiftfoot |
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Re: DM commentary & a tough decision
Posted: 16 Mar 2004 12:50 AM |
I thought the whole thing was great, it was involved, it was intresting and even when the respawned cretures killed me i didnt pull my sword because i was in the game, now the DM told me it was an accident but it was great. even when little rouge pleeded with the healer to raise Calia so that she could save the others. I was hoping to go and speak to the CL again and rp healing the children that were killed but i was killed later as some made promises to leave.
I must agree that even i was suprised that there was no xp awarded as i too have got some for doing less.
Well done all the pc's it was really intresting
Callia.
Oh and the Drow thing, i like that nothing turned up about that it was great to se who belived us and who didnt. Maybe i made it up ha ha ha *evil laugh* |
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