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Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 10:26 AM |
| Haven't found it yet, is it in the module? If not, I would love to have it added. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 10:42 AM |
How about -no-?
Detect evil should never go into NWN because the counters to it are not in either; so simply put it becomes an insanely powerful ability which can ruin a characters storyline in seconds.
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 10:45 AM |
You mean, like.... true sight? :P
GO PANTHERS!!!! |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 11:18 AM |
You mean, like.... true sight? :P
GO PANTHERS!!!!
LOL, word.
Yeah, i probably wont care much to paladins you accidentally trade their magic bags to thieves through the barter window to ruin my rp by exclaiming i'm evil for no apparant reason. The only possible application for detect evil would be to know wether or not you can use your bonus vs evil weapon and eq and the smite ability. Its has no possible RP aplications whatsoever. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 11:19 AM |
I wholeheartily accept the no, but on the other hand, not all players playing Paladins use the tool in a way not fitting for every situation. Some of us uses it the way it's supposed to be used, ie. as an enhancement to every single roleplay aspect. Ruining a characters personal storyline, lies far away from what it actually might accomplish. ;)
Anyways, the -no- is accepted :) |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 11:21 AM |
Its has no possible RP aplications whatsoever.
It all comes down to what kind of player that plays the Paladin, friend... I suspect that that is why the DM's wanted clearance for a player to be allowed to play one.
Best regards,
bassa |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 11:25 AM |
I wouldn't accept that it has no RP applications whatsoever- and I'm against it being put in.
However, to be honest, the sort of evil where the player won't mind a Paladin knowing their alignment is also likely to be the sort of Evil where you don't need Detect Evil.
Take Fri'el. Anyone want to guess her alignment? Go on, I dare you.
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 11:37 AM |
Take Fri'el. Anyone want to guess her alignment? Go on, I dare you.
-Barnas
CE - Critically Evil :P |
Luther McIath: I see, so [X is] the right person in the wrong place with the wrong people at the wrong time.
[Fictrix] ... And can speak French, like both! Wait, I mean Elven. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 12:04 PM |
DB- Damnably Blonde?
CA- Choose (the) Alignment (AND STICK WITH IT)?
CS- Confused (and) stupid?
Tell me when I hit the right one... |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 12:06 PM |
PD had it.
*smirks*
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 12:20 PM |
Yah, you wish (Wanna step outside of the forums, after all, our friendly little arguements are being recorded in Vivessian history :P)
Fri'els evil = Replacing someones nailpolish remover with glue
shampoo with honey
sword with a stick
*Walks off*
Fri'el... evil. HA! |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 01:02 PM |
Nah, torturing slowly to death, then animating and forcing to serve as an undead minion.
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 01:04 PM |
I'd be all for detection of evil, and there are scripts, but the only problem is what Barnas said: There is no opposite of (No PnP spell of "Hide Alignment"). Therefore, it'd make things a tad too obvious and easy for the Paladin, skewed against the evil who can't hide it.
~Fenarisk |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 03:42 PM |
Aye, I agree to a certain point, admittedly... however, knowledge such as that gained from a Detect Evil ability, can be used in sophisticated manner, all around... it all depends on the player playing the Paladin.
The usual Paladin crusade with: "Hrmm, that guy looks mean... *Eyes narrow and POOF comes the tool in use* Aha! He's evil... Let's have at it, boys! *Waves to all his polly friends to simultaneously attack the suspected evil guy*"... is by all means not worth anything at all... doing things in a new, more advanced method, is much more fun, and much more challenging... |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 03:47 PM |
I wouldn't mind a volantary system. Pally sends tell to player "Are you evil". If the player is Evil and doesn't mind a Pally knowing "Yes". If not "No". If they are and don't want to say, "Don't want to say". Indeed, if they're not and don't want to say "Don't want to say."
It's very crude, but it would allow a level of responsible RP from detect evil, and also allow a PCs story not to get ruined, since they have an opt out as a personal level, rather than an "If" in a script or something to exclude them that way- scripts and stuff get broken, and the more that gets scripted, the more stifled the RP gets.
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 03:58 PM |
Like the idea of it being handled in a rp way between players. In PnP for our group, discern evil actually discerns evil intent, ie are they actively considering an evil act at the time the discern is used. So someone planning a crime etc would come up yes, but someone just minding their own business wouldnt, no matter the actual true alignment.
Perhaps something like that could be incorporated?
Cheers,
Sean |
'The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.' - Richard Bach, Illusions. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 04:03 PM |
If someone's murdering someone, do you -really- need detect evil to tell they're doing it? =P
More seriously, a thing between players really would be the only way to go, methinks. Anyone disagree? Agree? [Joke] Want to kill me? *crosses that out* Actually, I don't want to know if you do. [/joke]
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 04:24 PM |
I like the idea of a voluntary Evil thingy, doesn't bother me at all. Oh, by the way Barnas...
*Grabs hold of Fri'el and takes her to the evil school of evilness* (You see a sign underneath, badly covered, it says "Tasra's Perma-Kill School" :P) |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 05:31 PM |
If someone's murdering someone, do you -really- need detect evil to tell they're doing it? =P
More seriously, a thing between players really would be the only way to go, methinks. Anyone disagree? Agree? [Joke] Want to kill me? *crosses that out* Actually, I don't want to know if you do. [/joke]
-Barnas
I think it would be used more to determine the intentions of somone. For example, if the Pally is chatting with a suspicious person that is trying to convice the Pally to let him into some protected area or something, the Pally could use this ability to discern if the person's arguments are sincere, or if he is trying to get in to commit some hienous act (murder, to use your example)
I could see some benifit to having either of these in, though I think it would have to be limited to PC/NPC interactions rather than PC/PC actions though, as I do agree it could certainly lead to the ruination of some other PC's own plotting, unless evil PC's are allowed to run around with a 'hide alignment' widget.
I am ignorant on how detect evil actually works, as I am with many mechancial things. Is it a spell? or a x/day/level ability? Is there a chance of failure based on levels etc? I could certainly see it as a good tool to be used on DM quests with Pally's in the group. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 05:39 PM |
The detect evil of a pally is at will. He needs to focus, but it works like the spell. He scans a 60° angle and first he gets to know whether or not there's evil there. Then the pally knows the number and strength of the evil. (how many persons, creatures, strength is according to level or hit die).
There's no chance of failure if he can scan, unless others have mask alignment or protection from scrying devices on (or spells). |
Luther McIath: I see, so [X is] the right person in the wrong place with the wrong people at the wrong time.
[Fictrix] ... And can speak French, like both! Wait, I mean Elven. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 05:51 PM |
Detect evil is an insanely powerful ability: It's why any sensible cleric of an evil deity runs around with a Permanant Undetectable alignment spell on them.
To be honest, anything other than a consenting use wouldn't be -bad- RP, however it would be -oppressive- RP.
It's fine when the Paly's in an all good party, and you sense that someone in the bar's evil. But when you have good and evil PCs, it's nuttily powerful. Detect good is likewise.
However, if it worked on NPCs only.. that would be good... or like I said before, optional for Evil PCs. (Perhaps add it into the Players Information? Show/Hide my alignment?) It might not make that much sense that some people it works on and some it doesn't, but.. well.. would it matter so much?
-Barnas |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 02 Feb 2004 06:02 PM |
| i cant imagine why a paladin would not have it. thats part of being a paladin. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 03 Feb 2004 08:22 AM |
The way I've always done Detect Evil as a DM is if a Paladin uses it, it works like this:
DM: You walk into the cave
Player: I'll use my Detect Evil skill
DM: You're what level again?
Player: 4th
DM: Okay, you feel a fair amount of evil.
Now, this could mean many things. There is something fairly evil nearby, there's something REALLY evil towards the end of the cave, or, his senses are screwed up by magic, or he's feeling the evil that he just smote.
It's not like you see a red blob of evil three walls away, you just get that weird feeling. |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 04 Feb 2004 08:01 AM |
| ((Just boosting this back up because I think I made a good point and I don't think many people saw it)) |
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Re: Paladin Detect Evil? Anywhere?
Posted: 04 Feb 2004 08:12 AM |
i think the area description_on_enter gives a pretty good impression of the dangers if any in an area.
and if something comes barging in at you I think -THINK- it might be evil and willing to hurt you. Don't know if you would be needing any more clues to detect that.. |
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