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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 28 Feb 2005 01:07 PM |
| As it is, alot of the time the Craft system simply dosent work, and while custom hak pieces can be used at times, overall you can only work with the default bioware clothing choices. Thusly a cloak should not be possible. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 28 Feb 2005 02:28 PM |
To fix the default bioware crafting system would require a new patched 2da file to make the custom content available.
We will need to investigate the different ways to make it work with the custom content.
(patching 2da's sucks if it can be avoided)
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 28 Feb 2005 07:12 PM |
| Certain stretches can be made.... most of the difficulty comes with the padding of the custom armor appearances. Lisa and Thallion and Kinarr etc all pad their models so they don't overlap. It also means that the models are nonconsecutive, and some of the extra appearances live on little islands.... that you cannot reach with simple "Next appearance" functions. If the custom appearances were renumerated to be consecutive, the general populace would be able to access the custom appearances through normal HOTU crafting. I believe that the addition of either one of these links would allow for a direct number input (instead of a next and previous scanning function) which would make them accessible via some trial and error. |
The Legacy Saga |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 01 Mar 2005 03:14 AM |
Certain stretches can be made.... most of the difficulty comes with the padding of the custom armor appearances. Lisa and Thallion and Kinarr etc all pad their models so they don't overlap. It also means that the models are nonconsecutive, and some of the extra appearances live on little islands.... that you cannot reach with simple "Next appearance" functions. If the custom appearances were renumerated to be consecutive, the general populace would be able to access the custom appearances through normal HOTU crafting. I believe that the addition of either one of these links would allow for a direct number input (instead of a next and previous scanning function) which would make them accessible via some trial and error.
I have no idea what on earth you are talking about, but if it means I get my cloak (and maybe a hood????) then all the better. Thanks Veran and PD |
Never argue with an idiot.
They drag you down to their level
and then beat you with experience.
Akril
Quinellieth. 20th Circle of the Order of the Ring |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 01 Mar 2005 06:40 AM |
| *listens to Veran and begins to get a Rainman like expression on his face* |
Signed,
Bhrodi Ferocitas
"From discipline comes all else."
"He who wins the war writes the history."
"Si vis pacem, para bellum."
("If you want peace, prepare for war.") |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 23 Nov 2005 06:55 PM |
Sol:
I think a tailor would be very cool, but there would have to be some way to see and choose the design you want for arms/legs/shoulders etc that you get IG
Would this be possible?
- Sol
Glor:
For tailors... This one claims to work with any haks.. Not sure if its true but *Shrug*
Well, I threw that Mandragon one in a test mod... along with all the Vives haks, and it works beautifuly.
The unfortunate side effect is that there are some... erm, "questionable" articles of clothing in the clothes haks that Vives uses, and are freely available by using the tailor.
Which makes me think that there will never be an NPC tailor in Vives, because there is no way to implement one without giving players access to clothing that would not be appropriate.
I hope I'm wrong about that... and that we can eventualy get a working one in Vives, because the craft armor skill is a real pain to work with, and most players would love to have an easy way to modify their clothing/armor... even if it were made very expensive.
So.. what are our chances of getting some sort of tailor IG?
Is it a "probably, when there is time to get around to it"?
or a "what we have now is good enough, so don't hold your breath"?
or "there is no way we can do it without giving players "too much" freedom to modify their look"? |
"I'm not closed-minded, you're just WRONG." - Bucky Katt
My characters n portraits |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 23 Nov 2005 08:48 PM |
I'll check it out tonight
- Paul |
Purpose in life: finding better ways of allowing players to kill themselves. Repeatedly.
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"...Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good."
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<@James42> Lawful good isn't in your vocabulary, it's on your menu.
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 23 Nov 2005 10:55 PM |
So.. what are our chances of getting some sort of tailor IG?
*points to Marrya* |
Nos laetus epulor is quisnam mos onero nos: Dana's family motto, if she had one
(Translation) We gladly feast on he who will oppress us |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 23 Nov 2005 11:02 PM |
Heh.. How the old posts rise.
The nice thing about the system BKatt quoted though Marrya is it actually works better than the default one. Though it is true it makes players a little less useful. The way around that is to make a fair differnce in the prices though. If a player wants to pay a Decent price they would go to another player, if they cant get that to work.. They pay deeply.
Of course, this has all been debated in this thread and many others. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 10:29 AM |
| Im confused (admittedly this is normal) are we planning on getting hoods eventually or not? |
Roland
-<Characters>-
-Rhaegar Targaryen, Defender of Ferein, First of His Line
-Bran Ith'Silean, Entrepeneur, Bandit, Rogue, Mercenary Extraordinaire
-Roland Gilead, Ranger, Scout, Northlander |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 10:58 AM |
| I'd vote yes for shady looking cloaks & hoods, that is if there ever was a vote. |
Nightmare this may be, but it's not a dream. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 12:45 PM |
| I really hate hoods, then everyone wears them. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 12:47 PM |
I don't like hoods either.
-Barnas |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 02:18 PM |
| It's all good! In da hood. |
Nightmare this may be, but it's not a dream. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 02:25 PM |
I like hoods . (not IRL though ) |
- Solitaire, Wizard
- Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 04:27 PM |
| I would like to see hoods ingame, make them rogue only or something so that players who would have a real legitimate reason to wear them could do so. Or a hood could be granted to players by DMs after having completed a "hood application" to the DMs with rp reasons etc. etc. |
Garrak - Aspiring Spellsword
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 05:10 PM |
I would like to see hoods ingame, make them rogue only or something so that players who would have a real legitimate reason to wear them could do so. Or a hood could be granted to players by DMs after having completed a "hood application" to the DMs with rp reasons etc. etc.
This is one of my first posts, so please excuse my presumption to include myself in the discussion, but from a relatively new perspective this seems a tad insane... there is something called organizational myth, where inclusion in a community tends to blind one to the more.. ahem.. unusual aspects of the culture. In this instance, just please listen to how this sounds:
New Player: "I love this world, it's beautiful! How do I get a cloak with a hood?"
DM: "Just fill out our online cloak-with-hood request form and wait 10-12 business days."
New Player: *runs away in fear*
The fact is, it seems to rain quite a bit in the more populated areas of Vibes (i.e. Midor and Port Royale), so cloaks with hoods SHOULD be common. I, for one, feel stupid walking around in the rain in a ball gown and an umbrella. Add to the fact that most elves feel uncomfortable moving through Midor, and it shouldn't be strange to see nearly everyone running around with their hood up. Certainly no reason to pull the Requisition Form card, IMHO.
:) |
"You know, a gong. Large, flat object that you hit when you want things. Sort of like a waiter, but less portable."
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 06:20 PM |
My post was not to be taken overly serious, just reflecting on the above statements. Cloaks with hoods should be very common but then everyone would use them as mentioned above, it would turn out to be boring. The "application" was merely a term for proving you have to have a "valid" reason for using a hood. This way those that really, really need hoods like thieves lurking about could get them without turning the entire PW into a faceless mass of players. This would of course be deemed unfair by other players who think they have equally "valid" reasons. So pherhaps we will never see hoods anyway.
And the --> " <-- in "hood application" indicates the we are talking about general things not a specified Requisition Form card. |
Garrak - Aspiring Spellsword
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 06:30 PM |
Personally, I just don't want every PC running around with a hood up, and using it as the ultimate disguise. Also, they just annoy me. :P
-Barnas |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 06:35 PM |
Personally, I just don't want every PC running around with a hood up, and using it as the ultimate disguise. Also, they just annoy me. :P
-Barnas
Me too, same with anyone using a robe and a helmet and saying they are someone new. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 06:42 PM |
Me too, same with anyone using a robe and a helmet and saying they are someone new.
Too add:
And there is no way to tell the difference. They usually just do a ((You don't know who I am)) and there is nothing the other player can do about except be forced into that RP. Usually, other PC has no bluff or perform skills, might have a low CHA (maybe because they smell bad), and has no backing behind it other then putting on the helmet and new clothing.
It doesn't matter to the one who is discuised that the other player might beable to know the voice, smell, mannerisms, speach, acent, might have high skill in bluff and be able to tell the difference etc. etc.
Thus, I hate it. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 07:21 PM |
| Psh, you cant use hood as a disguise it just looks good... Style over matter and all that. |
Nightmare this may be, but it's not a dream. |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 13 Dec 2005 07:41 PM |
| But Darkness - Theres more important things to worry about then people forcing Roleplay there characters dont have the skills or abilities to do - *shakes hands frantically* - people keep leaving doors open! |
~ Nay'Finn |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 14 Dec 2005 06:52 AM |
If someone sends a tell saying "you don't know who I am" then if you feel your character would recognise the person regardless of the helmet (or hood), then it is perfectly reasonable to emote right back *recognises the voice* when they speak (assuming the other player hasn't made it clear that they are disguising their usual voice / smell / hunchback hump etc.).
I'd personally rather allow good tools (like cloaks with hoods) IG and if someone is mis-using the cloak as suggested MIGHT happen, then educate the player into the short-comings of assuming that a hood on it's own does not constitute a disguise.
My two pence. |
- Solitaire, Wizard
- Ilyana Fiirhaart, High Priestess of Naruth |
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Re: NPC Tailor
Posted: 14 Dec 2005 07:47 AM |
Personally, I just don't want every PC running around with a hood up, and using it as the ultimate disguise. Also, they just annoy me. :P
-Barnas
Me too, same with anyone using a robe and a helmet and saying they are someone new.
Well, as much as I hate these kinds of forced roleplay as well, it's nothing the player base doesn't have the ability to do now. You said so yourself. *shrugs*
I don't have any characters who would use a hood... *thinks of Anakin Skywalker in Episode three*
No, no characters... so I wouldn't care one way or another. It would be nice for characters who would normally pick hooded heads to be able to pick normal heads realizing they have hood access IG, which would later allow them to take off their "Hoods" IG, rather than keeping the lame hooded head forever. |
The Legacy Saga |
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