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'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 03:38 AM |
'D'ere be several rooms I 'ave, three methinks, dat are just d'ere empty... the lil' girl frum wat's-his-name moved in n' makes de' place alot merrier, so I d'ink I'll just see if d'ere be more young fellas who'd want to move in? D'ey sure are dusty now but wif sum' work d'ey could look real nice.'
- Schreppen of Buckshire.
There be 3 little rooms made available now in Buckshire. Each room has its own unique key, and holds a persistent chest. Alongside they also come with a Mailbox, where visitors can place items in, but only the keyholder can retrieve the items. The rooms comes unfurnished.
It's long been our wish that you can have characters with a place at which they feel at home; but while there's expectations, there's also limitations (it doesn't take much thought to see the demand would be much larger than supply!), and here are some quickie points.
(i) We'd be slowly easing in a series of rooms in existing/new buildings, each comes as above-described, at different parts of the land.
(ii) For fairness' sake, each player can have at most one Key, non-transferable to their other characters. We'd also appreciate if and when you decide to leave our little community for an indefinite period of time, you'd let us know so the resource can be made available to others.
(iii) If you're interested - and absolutely sure that this is the one character you'd be interested in developing and that is the one place he/she'd like to have a Key of - come talk to one of the DM/Admins. Preferences goes to player-characters that would fit best with the particular venue, and players that have shown commitment to the character / Vives in general (hint hint: a comprehensive, relevant bio would help significantly).
The purpose of this is, like most other things in Vives, intended to encourage role-play, have a nice time, and make it fun for everybody. We'd love to see your characters visiting friends, and we're also working on having in-game written materials (!) so you can leave them nice messages (or just presents for now ) This is NOT about 'Who-gets-the-biggest-house', 'Who-plays-longest', or 'Who-is-richest'... your character won't be required to cough up ridiculous sums regularly or anything of the sorts; RL is tedious enough 
Arizzle |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 05:45 AM |
hmm,
will there be option to have 2 keys to the same door?
I mean, Tom and Jaina will live together.. so they need two keys.
Will there be houses with more than one room?
I mean, this post says there are only rooms, will there be houses with couple of rooms with living room, kitchen, bedroom etc
is it possible that after your char lived in one place, the char canl sell it (or stop paying rent, however the paying for the houses goes) and move out and go live in another place?
and when will there be houses at brandibuk?
Dens
who eagrly want to have nice comfy house for Tom =P
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 08:38 AM |
Don't see why we wouldn't have more than one room houses. As it stands, several houses can go in the major cities, as well as the small towns, each with its own flavor, rooms, etc, and of course with differing prices. The only problem I see is figuring out a way to have Players purchase items and furnishings for their house that stay persitent, but other than that housing does not seem far off in general for that one special character :D
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 10:36 AM |
We can always use the script that another mod used for persistent player placeable furniture, this is available on NWVault. However, I'm not a fan to be honest.
So it would most likely be us (for now) placing any furniture in the properties. Rooms/apartments is the best method as of now, as it keeps the number of areas in check (one devoted area for each player who has a house in the future will cause problems with performance most likely).
However this does not mean to say there won't be differing housing etc available for paupers and rich gits etc......
Cheers
Arathon
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 01:20 PM |
Will the rooms be accessed via transition or only by doorway?
If Transitions are to be used, could we not just allow people to decorate their own rooms from "template" rooms? Say a small room is 6x6 or whatever... so we have a base set of rooms, and we let people download them and add furniture/decoration to their taste. Then it can be submitted and approved, and added to the particular location where it needs to be. This also allows for rooms to be "re-decorated" when a player moves on/gets booted/whatever.
I know the approval process still needs intervention, but at least the staff doesn't get weighed down with building personal areas to order.
Anyway, I toss it out for discussion.
Well when I was writing this I wasn't considering the part that adding an area requires an update to the mod, but I'll still leave it for discussion anyhow... |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 02:11 PM |
We could try the method Landru mentioned - I do think it'll make it easier on us in the long-run, for maintainence purposes. Some quick points that'd probably need mentioning...
(i) The area-size should be no more than 6 tiles in size (i.e., 2x3),
(ii) with limitation of 20 placeables,
(iii) no items or scripts attached, and that
(iv) There should be one (1) single transition leading out from it, named in the format 'Home_Whoever'sHome_Out'
(v) The area should be named 'Home: [whoever's home]' - with matching Tags/ResRefs.
(vi) The area should be exported as an ERF
Then our task could be simplified to (.a) checking that it fits the above constraints, (b) fitting in a Persistent Chest, (c) Linking it to the transition, (d) Adding in Persistent Mailbox.
If the areas do get named uniformly, it could be used as an efficient handle for allowing custom-scripts that only affects it (e.g. persistent placeables). The last thing I'd like to see is someone placing a persistent Tailor's table in front of Midoran's temple... With persistent placeables, I'm also foreseeing a possible scenario that some could be placing an unnecessary extravaganza number of placeables which is less than desirable for server performances.
Arizzle
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 02:19 PM |
Tom Wrote:
(i) Will there be option to have 2 keys to the same door?
I mean, Tom and Jaina will live together.. so they need two keys.
(ii) Will there be houses with more than one room?
I mean, this post says there are only rooms, will there be houses with couple of rooms with living room, kitchen, bedroom etc
(iii) is it possible that after your char lived in one place, the char canl sell it (or stop paying rent, however the paying for the houses goes) and move out and go live in another place?
(iv) and when will there be houses at brandibuk?
Before I address the above questions - Are you absolutely absolutely absolutely sure that you and Rachel wants to stick with Tom-Jaina? This decision is absolutely -and I mean absolutely- irrevocable.
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(i) Yes.
(ii) See 'submit-your-own-area' in above post. We can try it out there ;)
(iii) No. And the house is for fun - your character will NOT be required to pay rent etc. to sustain the house.
(iv) The hobbit-holes with... Barndoors? Who wants to live there? :P
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So talented, so troubled. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 02:59 PM |
>>Before I address the above questions - Are you absolutely absolutely absolutely sure that you and Rachel wants to stick with Tom-Jaina? This decision is absolutely -and I mean absolutely- irrevocable.
Well, you said there can be one house per player... I will stick to Tom,
and Tom will have a house... so well, i guess Tom will own the house but they will both live there.. ?
>>(iii) No. And the house is for fun - your character will NOT be required to pay rent etc. to sustain the house.
so you wont buy the house or anything? there will be cost for the house after all, why wont there be rented house? for a RL week or something like that?
>>(iii) No. And the house is for fun - your character will NOT be required to pay rent etc. to sustain the house.
Tom maybe? =P well actually he wanted to own a palace.. but .. Jaina already chose a house at Brandibuk, hehe, and i guess you wont let Tom own a palace =P
about the furniters..
if a DM can change the room and it will stay..
maybe people can order furniters, from a special shop..
and they will have the furniters at their house the soon a DM or an admin will take care of that
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 03:16 PM |
maybe people can order furniters, from a special shop..
and they will have the furniters at their house the soon a DM or an admin will take care of that
What would we call the shop? Akea perhaps?
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 04:56 PM |
Tom Wrote:
Well, you said there can be one house per player... I will stick to Tom,
and Tom will have a house... so well, i guess Tom will own the house but they will both live there.. ?
so you wont buy the house or anything? there will be cost for the house after all, why wont there be rented house? for a RL week or something like that?
about the furniters..
if a DM can change the room and it will stay..
maybe people can order furniters, from a special shop..
and they will have the furniters at their house the soon a DM or an admin will take care of that.
It's one Key per player - hence you better ask Rachel whether she's sticking with Jaina (*grins* And if Jaina is really serious with Tom!)
You can always play it out, rent/tax or what-not; I'm sure some of our naughty naughty GMs would have ideas about the new possibilities arising from this (remember they can enter the houses!) My statement was an assurance that we'd be unlike some other more hardcore (if I may say that) modules that requires millions of goldpieces / week to sustain the house, and the players ends up spending their time 'working' rather than having fun.
The changeable furniture and what-not could be there, but those would be icing on the cake. There's quite abit involved in maintaining a world-community for the Admins, and we do not make promises that we cannot fulfill at a later date.
Arizzle
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 06:24 PM |
Don't let her divorce you Tom, whatever you do...then half your stuff goes to her!!!
~Fenarisk
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 15 Jul 2003 07:57 PM |
| Since they are halfings, does that mean she gets a quarter of the stuff then? :P:P |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 02:27 PM |
*bump* for those who haven't seen this, in light of recent resurgence of interest from written mail
I would still maintain that one should be very careful in deciding whether this will be the one character you'd like to develop. |
Aria
So talented, so troubled. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 03:39 PM |
| You should be able to buy and sell houses you own. After all, somebody's gotta make it as a real estate agent. :p |
- [Rob], Balthor, Jake, and Thomas. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 04:01 PM |
You should be able to buy and sell houses you own. After all, somebody's gotta make it as a real estate agent.
Unfortunately Neverwinter Nights is a fantasy role-playing game. I refer you to SIMS Online for the game that provides for such demands/realism, and much more! |
Aria
So talented, so troubled. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 04:57 PM |
| You act like being a real estate agent is such a "new" concept when there are two of them in Midor. |
- [Rob], Balthor, Jake, and Thomas. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 05:06 PM |
Although we now have fully persistent housing with the working mailboxes etc..... how we work it is still very much open to debate.
One thing I will be doing is doing some for the best RPers and longer standing members who have helped test/DM, these won't necessarily be houses per se, but more likely rooms and "apartment-style" places in existing areas...... inns for example.
Eventually certain CPC's who play Kings and Queens etc or high ranking officials and wealthy merchants will obtain larger, more plush places. Although, yet again, this is still open for discussion.
The estate agent has been in game right from the very beginning when I was just messing about in the toolset learning how to do stuff, and has not yet been removed. Whether he remains i doubt.
The Word Estate agent is not particularly relevant to the style of mod we are, but one thing we can easily do is make it so folks can sell their houses and other folks buy them through sole use of NPC's. This is ridiculously easy to do and would only require a merchant and putting extra value on keys regarding what type/size/location etc of the property.
One thing that will involve interaction from us however is the mailboxes and keys to the persistent storage..... as they currently have names on them.
Anyway............ I guess my message is this needs to be discussed more fully at some stage, so people post your ideas upon how it should be handled here!
(One thing is for certain though...... they will NEVER be available for brand-new players to the World for obvious reasons).
Cheers!
Arathon
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 05:16 PM |
| I think the point is more that houses in vives are a perk more than anything. Rather than a commodity be traded. Also, though you are welcome to play what ever type of character you like (within the confines of the standards set in the PHB of course) the general idea is that characters stick to the general ideas of a D'n'D style adventurer, rather than trying to play a virtual real life person. Afterall.. thats what the NPC's are for. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 05:59 PM |
I tend to agree with Alo's viewpoint...
The players that have gained housing so far (with the exception of Pokeundi, who I understand is testing something) are generally going to become members of the "cast" of Vives, kind of like living NPCs... At least this is the way it was envisioned (Ara/Aria, feel free to correct if this vision has changed). This is why I have a tavern and Neek has a bowstore. These characters are generally "Epic" level characters (In Vives this means that you are too far advanced to gain any appreciable XP by doing anything anymore :P) and have not much else to do with their lives but RP with folks and give player-driven quests.
I really see housing for "regular" players as something that is earned over time, through good conduct and excellent RP. One should think of it as a badge of honor to be granted a home. What I do not want to see in Vives is a free-for-all of persistent player housing, where somebody who's been in the game for a week owns a luxury house. Housing should be a privilege, not a right. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 06:26 PM |
Phew. Thanks for the clarifications Alo and Merum. I've been having a concept of what I wish to express but couldn't quite grasp it. Here are some more of my personal reasons.
I see shelters with a 2-fold intention,
(i) to encourage and facilitate role-play amongst yourselves (by allowing mailboxes and a settlement)
(iii) (perhaps more importantly) To connect between the builders-admins and players. We appreciate your efforts in helping us in building an open, friendly community, we appreciate your efforts in helping us in developing rich, fleshed out characters, we value you as a part of Vives, and this is partly how we show that we do give a damn about it. There are many things that gold can buy, but fortunately personal sentiments is not one of them.
As a related aside, an almost direct consequence of NPC-driven, automated housing system is repetitive actions and gold-hoarding. Supply for shelters is ever going to be lower than supply; either it'll be first-come-first-serve (which biases against new players), or it'll be demand-driven. The latter manifests itself as an ever-increasing gold-requirement, and players crafting, crafting, crafting all the time just to sustain their properties. That is not what we want to see you doing here in Vives. We want you to come in, feel at home, and have a good time.
Thank you for reading thus far. |
Aria
So talented, so troubled. |
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 07:27 PM |
I like the idea of earning the housing. Maybe in time Grak can sleep in a dive of his own.
Take care guys
Really great work by everyone involved I just wish I had more days I could RP with you all.
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You're only given a little spark of madness. You mustn't lose it.
~Robin Williams
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 09:58 PM |
I love the idea of rooms for rent. Perhaps I'll see if Merum's got a room for rent in his tavern! I'd also be open to renting the penthouse at the top of Laedrel's Tower. *grins*
Having a room and mailbox would really facilitate rping... I would love to have place to put all the goodies that I make or find in my quest to become the best enchanter and jeweler in the land. Also, I can go around and give people apples by leaving them in their mailbox.
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 13 Aug 2003 11:37 PM |
There's still three cozy little rooms available in Schreppen's boarding house in Buckshire. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of them filled, it sometimes gets lonely there by myself.
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Re: 'Rooms Fer Rent'
Posted: 14 Aug 2003 05:31 AM |
Phoenix would gladly join ye..
Good to have sensible neighbors ye know??
If only I knew how to get yon house.. |
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